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Experts: Petroleum May Be Nearing a Peak
Yahoo/ AP ^ | 5/28/2005 | Staff Writers

Posted on 05/29/2005 7:55:03 AM PDT by ex-Texan

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To: defenderSD
I am trying to get the peak oil story right. It is not as many present it.

My own belief is that we can avoid falling into the abyss if we begin building nuke plants on a crash basis and convert our motor fleet to something other than gasoline/diesel. It would not be cheap, crashing the program never is, but it would be better than the alternative, which is to go sailing off the cliff at maximum speed.

The worst case is if there is a long interruption now of oil supply due to international war or embargo like 1973. The immediate effect would be felt in America of course, but it would devastate Korea, Japan, China, and Europe. The longer term effects would not be good anywhere.

41 posted on 05/29/2005 11:22:53 AM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: ex-Texan
Lie #1: The only way to increase production capacity is to discover more oil.

I'm not a Petroleum Engineer but even I know that production capacity has been increased by technology & improved recovery techniques.

Lie #2: Yet with a few exceptions, there just isn't much left out there to be discovered.

This guys 'exceptions' must be known and are not new discoveries. What's left out there to be discovered is anybody's guess.

These people sound more & more like the "We're running out of oil!!" chicken littles of the 1970's. But if you really believe we are about to run out of oil you ought to buy the stocks of companies that are involved in oil exploration and off shore drilling, such as DO and RIG etc. because they are about to make a bundle.

42 posted on 05/29/2005 12:17:11 PM PDT by Lester Moore (islam's allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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To: Lester Moore
buy the stocks of companies

That's not where the money is. Every amateur is playing that game and it just isn't returning a lot. It has always been the adventurous who come to town one day with pockets full of gold, and most of them go bust, but the few that make it make it big. The surest way to fame and fortune these days is to go where the gold is, and that is Federal contracts. Dept of Energy gives away $5 billion a year for nothing, try to horn in on that racket.

43 posted on 05/29/2005 12:29:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: ex-Texan

Read later.


44 posted on 05/29/2005 1:14:40 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Petronski
Reagarding Goldman Sachs forecast of $ 105 oil:

That price forecast may come to be considered very cheap. Think in terms of the "worst case scenario" of what possibly could happen to effect the price of oil adversely.

1. King Fahd dies and the 'next little prince in line' is assassinated;

2. Venezuela decides to nationalize foreign oil companies and begins cutting oil production generally;

3. Wahabbi militants take control of Saidi Arabia and at the same time force Musharraf out taking take power in Pakistan;

4. Pakistan's three stealth submarines equipped with nuke cruise missles are now in the hands of Islamic militants running their military.

Which brings me back to my central theme: Depending on oil for our fuel supply is foolishness beyond belief.

The U.S. must develop cheap alternative enegry sources. Out national security depends on new technology, like the program suggested by Hodar. Converting Shi'ite to fuel is a great idea. We need this new fuel source "like yesterday." Otherwise, we are being led over the cliff like a bunch of confused lemmings.

45 posted on 05/29/2005 3:52:16 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ex-Texan
There is heaps of the stuff under the ground.

Read Thomas Gold's "Deep Hot Biosphere."

The problem regarding price is not one of supply, it is one of who owns and controls the distribution rights. With lots of good help, lots of cash, big supercomputers and the right amount of media brainwashing of the sheople it is not that difficult to corner the world oil market.

Do you think that Mr.Shell and Mr.Elf-Fina ever have dinner together ?
46 posted on 05/29/2005 3:55:54 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: defenderSD

The Euroweenies are probably paying $4 a gallon by now, and they don't seem to be fazed by it.


47 posted on 05/29/2005 4:17:26 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

Yes they are paying $4 and probably much more with all the taxes they put on gasoline. They drive much smaller cars than we do that get much higher mileage and they don't drive as many miles commuting to work. Given the inefficiency of the current automobile and the lack of intense research into efficiency because of cheap oil, I'd bet we can improve mileage by another 50-75% without making cars too much smaller. Gas/electric hybrid engines are one way to go and people will develop all kinds of new technology to improve mileage now that we have a strong need for higher mileage.


48 posted on 05/29/2005 8:30:27 PM PDT by defenderSD ("I am not a troll" said the troll as a thunderous Zot descended on him.)
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To: Hodar

Is this what you are talking about?

Anything into Oil(solution to dependence on foregn oil?)
DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 5 ^ | May 2003 | Brad Lemley
Posted on 04/21/2003 7:57:41 AM CDT by honway

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/897232/posts


49 posted on 05/29/2005 8:48:49 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: ex-Texan

This article can't be correct. I thought that there was:

Oil, Oil Everywhere
The Wall Street Journal Opinion Journal ^ | Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST | PETER HUBER AND MARK MILLS
Posted on 01/30/2005 10:24:37 AM CST by Woodworker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1331914/posts


50 posted on 05/29/2005 8:50:48 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: hripka
"Oil, Oil Everywhere . . . "

If you are indeed correct, then the oil companies ought to be investigated for profiteering. Why should people pay such high prices for fuel? Huh? DUH! Perhaps you are among the minority who believe the reason for high prices is lack of oil refineries? Then, I respond again, that oil companies must be investigated for profiteering.

Which brings me back to my central theme: Depending on oil for our fuel supply is foolishness beyond belief.

The U.S. must develop cheap alternative enegry sources. Out national security depends on new technology, like the program suggested by Hodar. Converting Shi'ite to fuel is a great idea. We need this new fuel source "like yesterday." Otherwise, we are being led over the cliff like a bunch of confused lemmings.

Oh, well . . . Nobody listens to me anyway. I'm just a geezer from the Peoples' Republic of Oregon.
51 posted on 05/29/2005 10:53:26 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: hripka
Is this what you are talking about?

Yup ... I wanted to invest in this; but unless you have a 'paper worth' of $2 Million or more; they aren't interested. I can see why; just wish I had more than $2 Million to play with.

52 posted on 05/30/2005 8:09:15 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=depolymerization


53 posted on 05/30/2005 10:03:27 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: ex-Texan

bttt


54 posted on 05/31/2005 1:13:36 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: hripka

Cool ! Many Thanks for the FR link !


55 posted on 05/31/2005 11:35:44 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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