Saad Unlikely to See Confirmation Vote

FOX ^ | 5/29/05 | Megyn Kendall

[oceanview]

there has been a systematic effort, led by Schumer, to stop any devout catholics from being confirmed.

and our RINOs have signed onto that.

[FreeReign]

Not to worry, the repubs are the majority in the Senate. They have banded together around a strong leader who will make sure the "R"s vote in unity...../sarcasm

Not to worry. The process is really just starting, Frist is on our side, Frist is battling a bunch of RINO's, Frist says he will use the Constitutional option -- and you cardinal4 stab him in the back.

[FreeReign]

Why is there a damned deal in the first place? What the heck are the Republicans thinking?

What the heck are you thinking. 7 RINO's revolt. 48 don't. Yet you lump them all together. No wonder we lose.

[Bush 100 Percent]

Yes, when we've elected a Republican President, McCain is going to "lead" us over to the Democrats and say we'll let you take over if that'll make you happy. And, by the way, when a Democrat is elected President in the future, we'll let you run things then, too - just to make you happy. Lead = make the other guys happy at all costs and take everything away from those pesky voters. Some one who shows absolutely zero respect for the voters in this country is NOT a LEADER.

[Unam Sanctam]

Democrats don't mind pro-abort "Catholics," just the kind that take the teachings of their faith seriously.

[cardinal4]

Not to worry. The process is really just starting, Frist is on our side, Frist is battling a bunch of RINO's, Frist says he will use the Constitutional option -- and you cardinal4 stab him in the back.

Frustration has caused me to seek blame where it could probably be applied more efficiently elsewhere. Im willing to admit that Frist has been blindsided by a bunch of RINOs. It has been a very disheartening week..

[JohnnyZ]

And, despite daily protests to the contrary on this board, there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that ANY of the above-named senators are in any way not recognized as "true Catholics".

That's the way, Jim, don't hide your ignorance under a basket, let it shine forth!

They are heterodox, heretics, whatever you want to call them, the point is they are in direct opposition to and denial of the Catholic faith they claim to hold.

But I'm sure you know that and you are just making a point to attack Catholics on FR. Nice guy.

[JohnnyZ]

How many times have you seen one of these CINOs photographed while attending mass?

Oh they make sure they get their photo-ops. They are very interested in playing Catholic for the votes while attacking Catholicism and those who advocate its teachings in the political sphere.

[Jim Noble]

But I'm sure you know that and you are just making a point to attack Catholics on FR. Nice guy.

I'm not attacking any Catholics, most especially those on FR.

But the truth is that the Catholic Senators I cited are recognized and celebrated in their communities as Catholics, are returned to office over and over again by large Catholic majorities, and as much as you and others say "they aren't real Catholics", if they weren't, they'd be tossed out.

It's not as if they were Unitarians-if their bishop declared them out of communion with him, they would not be real Catholics, but since no bishop has done this, I challenge your assertion that they are not real Catholics.

When the Church, not you, puts them out, they will cease to be real Catholics, until then, they're as real as real can be.

[JohnnyZ]

Semantics and hand-waving.

the Catholic Senators I cited are recognized and celebrated in their communities as Catholics

But are they?

are returned to office over and over again by large Catholic majorities

I'm sure you have exit polling numbers for each of those senators

as much as you and others say "they aren't real Catholics", if they weren't, they'd be tossed out.

What makes you think that?

When the Church, not you, puts them out, they will cease to be real Catholics, until then, they're as real as real can be.

If you're talking about excommunication, public declarations thereof are extremely rare. However, actual instances of it in the eyes of God are common. Then, as I mentioned, there is denial of Catholic beliefs. Call "Catholics" who don't believe Catholic truths heterodox or whatever you want, that is what people typically mean by "not real Catholics".

To say that terminology is false is just obstinacy in defense of those who deny Catholic teaching.

[ricks_place]

Would that make Senators Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), John Kerry (D-Mass.), Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) and Joseph Biden (D-Del.) CINOs? (Catholic In Name Only)

[Iscool]

I didn't say I supported McCain, and I don't...But I'll give him one thing...He at least seems to be representing the majority of the people that put him in office, unlike most of the Senators of either party...

I have no doubt the Dems will be in control next time around...It'll be the same as when Pa Bush fumbled the ball...Even before the votes were cast, The Republicans had to have known they lost a tremendous amount of votes to Perot because of Nafta and Gatt...So they voted for Bush, who they knew couldn't win...

The same thing is coming up...Illegal immigration is the issue...Both parties (as they are doing now) will try to convince the public that this foreign illegal invasion is great for the country...Again, a lot of conservatives know better and won't vote for the Republican party hack...

I've said it before and I'll tell you again now...If you Republicans don't vote for the candidate who goes against illegal aliens and amnesty, either the anti-amnesty person or a Democrat will win the presidency...

Since these politicians no longer represent the people, I for one, will vote them out of office or not vote at all...

[Jim Noble]

Both parties (as they are doing now) will try to convince the public that this foreign illegal invasion is great for the country...

Hillary and McCain are going to run as Independents and will promise healthcare and border enforcement.

[Cboldt]

That makes 4 that are acknowledged by the Democrats as potential for refusal to vote - i.e., failure of cloture motions.

Saad, Myers, Haynes and Kavanaugh.

See also http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1412393/posts

Summary of Circuit Court Nominations

F = 7 subjected to failed cloture motions in 108th Congress
4 = "1 of 4" that DEMs offered to let GOP choose which 3 to dump
S = Positive mention in Specter's May 9, 2005 speech

M = MOU of 14 will not vote against cloture
m = MOU of 14 makes no promise regarding cloture

C = Out of committee & on the Senate's Executive Calendar
U = Unanimous consent to debate - date TBD
D = Democrats offer to debate - date TBD
v = Debate and vote scheduled
V = Vote -on the nomination- concluded

      1. --S  -  ---  Boyle, Terrence W.       (4th Cir)
      2. ---  -  ---  Haynes, William James II (4th Cir)
      3. F4S  M  CUV  Owen, Priscilla          (5th Cir)
      4. F-S  -  CU-  Griffin, Richard A.      (6th Cir)
      5. F-S  -  CU-  McKeague, David W.       (6th Cir)
      6. --S  -  -D-  Neilson, Susan Bieke     (6th Cir)
      7. F--  m  ---  Saad, Henry W.           (6th Cir)
      8. F4S  m  C--  Myers, William Gerry III (9th Cir)
      9. F4S  M  CU-  Pryor, William H.        (11th Cir)
     10. F4S  M  CUv  Brown, Janice Rogers     (D.C. Cir)
     11. --S  -  CU-  Griffith, Thomas B.      (D.C. Cir)
     12. ---  -  ---  Kavanaugh, Brett M.      (D.C. Cir)

Last updated May 27, 2005

Owen: Cloture passed 81-18 on May 24
Owen: Confirmed 56-43 on May 25
Brown: Cloture motion filed May 26. Debate starting 2PM June 6.
Brown: Cloture vote scheduled for noon June 7th.
Pryor: Cloture motion filed May 26.
Griffin: Reported out of Committee May 26.
McKeague: Reported out of Committee May 26.

-> Cloture Motions for 108th Congress
-> List of Nominations in the 109th Congress Judiciary Committee
-> Senate Executive Calendar (changes each business day)
-> Senate Roll Call Votes - 109th Congress
-> Specter's Speech of May 9, 2005 (109th Congress - Pages S4632 - S4636)
-> Reid's agreement of May 24, 2005 (S5857)
-> Brown & Pryor cloture motions of May 26, 2005 (S6061)
-> Order of Business for June 6, 2005 (S6065)

[Cboldt]

Bush should give recess appointments to Bolton, Saad and Myers ...

That would take pressure off the Senate.

[JohnnyZ]

Archbishop William Levada ON CATHOLIC POLITICIANS: "There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not with regard to abortion and euthanasia. ... A Catholic, to be in full communion with the faith of the Church, must accept this teaching about the evil of abortion and euthanasia." - paper to U.S. bishops' conference, June 2004.

Those "Catholic" Senators you keep mentioning are not "in full communion with the faith of the Church".

[skyhawk9211]

Why not just Walk Away and give the Senate to the democRATS (McCain)

I will be sitting under a shade tree in the 2006 - 2008 elections...and let the dims (McCain) do with it what they will...

I can assure you...there are a LOT of folks with me!!

[skyhawk9211]

We approve Warren Christopher (the Worst Sec of State I have Ever seen)

We approve Madeline Not-too-Bright (Second worst)

We cannot approve John Bolton - potential good candidate for UN Ambassador??

What's wrong with this picture???

[Egon]

What the heck are you thinking. 7 RINO's revolt. 48 don't. Yet you lump them all together. No wonder we lose.

So, what you're saying is that the 7 RINOs revolted, and they were enough to send the other 48 shuffling away muttering "Aw shucks!" under their breath?

The other 48 need to get off their dead asses and figure out how to get the other 7 in line.

This isn't the first time the Republicans have pissed away a majority position. Just getting a little tired of seeing it happen.

They can start by not telegraphing every move they intend to make.

[ndkos]

"Catholics" who publically promote scandal (as pro-abortion, pro-sodomy politicans do) are automatically ex-communicated. I agree that it would be nice if the Pope or the local bishop would reiterate this, but it is still not necessary.