The IRS provides an 800 number that you call when you hire somebody. It takes about a minute for them to tell you if the name and the social security number match. My plan would be that a company that used this process would have a safe harbor from prosecution and that any company that did not use this process would be prosecuted to the max no matter what phony documents they had on file.
of the 40 people he had already hired, 20 had quit because they couldn't take working in the typical environment found in a foundry
It is nonsense that only illegals will do nasty work and the fact that your factory has 800 Americans working in it proves that. There is never any difficulty hiring either garbage men or plumbers. Both are nasty jobs but they pay great. Maybe the foundry should try offering a better salary and benefits package.
I've never heard this before. In fact, you could process payroll taxes quarterly and IRS never notifies you of discrepancies. You'd think the state would provide you with the number, or the info on checking soc #'s. Do you actually get to speak to a live operator? Anytime I've dealt with them, unless you have a tax filing question you get into an automation system.
I know that employers have a fine line to walk, particularly since they don't want to be accused of discriminatory hiring practices. You are not allowed to ask a lot of personal questions. If someones paperwork "seems" to be in order, unless you are doing actual background checks, I've never heard of any further government inquiries being done. It also sounds like an undue financial burden on a company to have to verify an increasing amount of information. Particularly if these are low wage employees.
Construction companies and Contractors are also businesses that use sub-contractors in their business. Then you are dealing with license and insurance info....which can all be legitimate, but the person could still be illegal.
I didn't say what you are you are accusing me of, I merely stated a fact. 40 hired, 20 quit, foundry work hard. Period!
Furthermore, you are also assuming the remaining employees are Americans when in fact you don't know and neither do I.
Really? Where?
Since seeing your post I've scoured the www.IRS.gov website and every link and can find nary a mention of any such number or service.
However, I did find that the SSA now does have a number: 1-800-772-6270 but note what follows it:
"Legal Policy - Don't Discriminate or Misuse EVSGranted there's a lot of scuralous employere's who look only for illegals, but what is a larger 'honorable' Company to do. Take a chance on guessing wrong and face a 97 gazillion dollar discrimination lawsuit?
- SSA will advise you if a name/SSN you submitted does not match our records. This does not imply that you or your employee intentionally provided incorrect information about the employee's name or SSN. It is not a basis, in and of itself, for you to take any adverse action against the employee, such as laying off, suspending, firing, or discriminating against an individual who appears on the list.
Oh then there's this from our own friendly DOJ...
Hire only individuals who are authorized to work. Note that a "U.S. citizens-only" hiring policy is discriminatory except under limited circumstances. An employer may require U.S. citizenship for a particular job only if required to do so by federal, state, or local law or regulation, or by government contract.In effect our own Government is against US and for the "immigrant". Not to mention all the 'Immigrant Rights Groups". So If I was a small employer I'd be nuts to deny anyone a job who presents any document that looks in any way legit. Unless that is I wanted to wind up in Club Fed or face bankruptcy because I guessed wrong and Juan and Juanita are the 1% who actually are here legally.Complete the I-9 Form for all new hires. This form gives employers a way to establish that the individuals they hire are authorized to work in the United States. Employers must permit employees to present any document or combination of documents acceptable by law. Employers cannot prefer one document over others for purposes of completing the I-9 Form, and cannot require non-citizens to show particular documents issued by the Department of Homeland Security (or the former Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)). Authorized aliens do not all carry the same documents. For example, not all aliens who are authorized to work are issued "green cards." As long as the documents are allowed by law and appear to be genuine on their face and to relate to the person, they should be accepted. Not to do so may constitute unlawful discrimination.
So go after the employer? Okay fine, but then also give them immunity from malicious prosecution and civil suits when the good guys guess wrong.