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Me 262 flys again
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| 5/27/05
| stormbirds.com
Posted on 05/28/2005 10:57:08 AM PDT by yooling
You've heard the rumors, perhaps even seen a magazine article or two -- several Me 262 jets are now under construction in the United States!!
This incredible project is the result of a decade of privately-administered effort to create flight worthy examples of the Messerschmitt 262 fighter, and is now entering its final stages. Formerly subcontracted to the Texas Airplane Factory and administered by Classic Fighter Industries, Inc. the WTMF owner's group has now assumed watch over the final, and most critical, phase of the project. Our Seattle-based team of expert designers, engineers and technicians recently completed the flight test program for the first of our five jets, while the second machine is rapidly approaching similar tests.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: airplanes; aviation; flight; me262; messerschmitt; warbirds; wwii
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To: yooling
Yup-er! The Russians captured some of the German engineers that designed the TA 183 too.
There was a great show on the MIG 15 on Modern Marvels (History Channel) a couple of nights ago---did you catch it?
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posted on
05/28/2005 4:25:54 PM PDT
by
SkyPilot
To: yooling
Didn't put in the part which said that this was an unfueled flight.
To: yooling
That does make you think of the MIG-15. The Russians stole the design from the Germans and the Brits gave them the engine.
I saw a program on the History Channel a while back in which they claimed the British gave them the engine based on losing a pool game.
I thought at the time that was probably total nonsense. The British government was full of Commies. I suspect that is how they got it. Anyway they got the best jet engine in the world without doing any development work. We then paid the price in korea.
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posted on
05/28/2005 4:35:39 PM PDT
by
yarddog
To: yarddog
As much as I love the F-16, I hate to say this, but the Thunderbirds are boring. The Blue Angles are the the ones to watch. Those guys really know how to fly and put on a show!
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posted on
05/28/2005 4:39:15 PM PDT
by
GBA
To: yooling
![](http://mywebpage.netscape.com/struwwelpter/Yak-28E-2.jpg)
I wonder how original the Yak-28's design was. It looks like it has some Sturmvogel genes.
To: struwwelpeter
![](http://mywebpage.netscape.com/struwwelpter/YAK-28P.jpg)
Here's an interceptor version, Yak28P (perekhvatchik).
To: U S Army EOD
I used to fly Jaleco's Fighter Ace..it was so cheap back then, 9.95 a month..unlimited..and up to 100+ pilots in one arena...flying against human opponents and with wingmates is such a rush...
I kind of miss it..the Spit XIV was my favorite. I wonder what's going on with that game now. I know they expanded to Japanese subscribers, so you can actually fly against real Japanese squads..and they are usually pretty good.
I think I have a few screenies still.. VROOOOM ***RATATATAT***
The Yak-9 was one slippery squirrel of a plane...one I could never get comfortable with..but all the hotshots seemed to like it..
The cool thing with an MMPO like this is being able to jump right into a big battle in a matter of seconds and then land...and make a sandwich..very convenient..and cheatproof too..very tightly monitored by the game mods.
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posted on
05/28/2005 5:04:06 PM PDT
by
wolficatZ
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To: yooling
I've never seen that cockpit style before. Is that a trainer?
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posted on
05/28/2005 5:06:18 PM PDT
by
RobRoy
(Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
To: mugs99
My uncle tried to catch one when he was flying P-51's during the war. Didn't know what in the hell it was, "but it sure was fast!" The 2-engine ME-262 used Junkers Jumo 004B axial Turbojets with a thrust of 1,980lb. Its maximum speed was 870 km/h (461 mph) and a range of 1050 km (560 Mi). It used four 30 mm MK 108 cannons in the nose. Two cannons had 100 rounds and two were with 80 rounds (260 total). Rockets could also be loaded on the wings in later versions.
By comparison, The most common Mustang, the P-51D, powered by RR Merlin V-12 engine, had a max speed of 437 mph and a combat range of 950 mi (1,855 if equipped with drop tanks). Arnament was 6 .50 machineguns with 1880 rounds of ammo. It could carry 2 1,000# bombs or 10 rockets.
Yeah, the ME-262 was max 25 mph faster, but acceleration wasn't great on those early jets because they took a long time to spool up. Given that the Mustang has over 7 times the ammo, 2x or more the range - and was probably more maneuverable - I'm not so sure I wouldn't have rather been in the cockpit of a Mustang.
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posted on
05/28/2005 5:09:53 PM PDT
by
IonImplantGuru
(Give me heaven... or a 637!)
To: GBA
I'll never forget being a wee lad..in the middle of Charleston Harbor on a boat, and watching the Blue Angels flying F4s(!).
A6s used to "strafe" us on the beach all the time, we would wave and they would give us a little wing wag.
I also got to see the Angels many years later in Upstate NY..spectacular show.
Whenever we were playing on the beach and a guided missile cruiser would steam out of the Naval Base under full power, we kids knew the "big wave" was coming, and everyone would run into the water to body surf the monster Kona wake wave!
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posted on
05/28/2005 5:19:48 PM PDT
by
wolficatZ
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To: IonImplantGuru
More like 540mph; is generally agreed upon as the max speed of the 262...am I mistaken?
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posted on
05/28/2005 5:29:53 PM PDT
by
wolficatZ
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To: SandRat
Well, heck. Maybe we can start one!
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posted on
05/28/2005 5:31:17 PM PDT
by
Colonel_Flagg
(Ah, spring. Such as it is.)
To: wolficatZ
To: struwwelpeter
I was so bummed when the Champlin Fighter museum here closed and moved everything to commie Seattle...the Yak9 was one of my faves...a mean little plane! The Fw-190D11 was one menacing hulk of a plane.
And the KAWANISHI N1K2-J SHINDEN-KAI was one sweet beast of a bird...another tragedy was the CASA He-111 crashing in Wyoming..it used to fly over Tempe occasionaly, I could always tell it was aproaching from the sound of the twin Merlins, a tragic loss of a great plane and two great pilots.
I spent a whole day there videotaping every single plane there (a huge selection of WWI kites too)..they even had a T-34 tank in full running condition there for a while.
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posted on
05/28/2005 6:00:16 PM PDT
by
wolficatZ
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To: SkyPilot
Nah, but I've seen programs that mention it. Maybe the same one, different night. If you like this stuff I recommend German Aircraft of the Second World War by Jr Smith and Antony L Kay. It's the most comprehensive book that I've found on the subject, 750 pages of pure aviation nerd bliss. I wish I could find ones like it on Japanese planes and German armor.
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posted on
05/28/2005 6:13:22 PM PDT
by
yooling
(Icky-Icky-Icky-PAHTWANGka!!)
To: RobRoy
Yep. They're making six(I think) only one dedicated single seater, some that can be either single or dual and two 2 seaters. The original that they used for mock-ups was a trainer. The trainers would also be more profitable for a potential buyer as he could sell rides for a freakin fortune.
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posted on
05/28/2005 6:18:49 PM PDT
by
yooling
(Icky-Icky-Icky-PAHTWANGka!!)
To: TalBlack
How many times have you watched "Twelve O-Clock High?"
Watched it again last night. Hairs go up on the back of my neck every time I hear (the whine-clank-clank-fart-fart-snort-snort-rumble-rumble as) those magnificient R-1820s come to life as Harvey is standing on the tarmac at the beginning of that movie.
The fact that I have several thousand hours sitting behind (T-28) and next to R-1820s (S-2, E-1B, C-1A) may have something to do with the nostalgia.
But dammit! I will FReely admit that the sound of an(y) unmuffled round aircraft engine turns me on!
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posted on
05/28/2005 7:31:21 PM PDT
by
Taxman
(So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
To: yooling
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posted on
05/28/2005 7:32:11 PM PDT
by
csvset
To: Aeronaut
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posted on
05/28/2005 7:36:54 PM PDT
by
skinkinthegrass
(Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
To: Enchante
I was at the 1975 CAF airshow when "FiFi" made here first public appearence. AWESOME!
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posted on
05/28/2005 7:47:38 PM PDT
by
Taxman
(So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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