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Bush, Frist Did Not Dispatch Graham & DeWine to Make a Deal
Rush Limbaugh ^ | 5/27/05 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 05/27/2005 3:58:28 PM PDT by wdkeller

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To: NonValueAdded

Yeah but you better watch out because spilling Dewine will probably make Voinovich spill some tears. Booo Freakin' whoooo.


41 posted on 05/27/2005 5:58:00 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: PMCarey; Kenny Bunkport
Let's use some common sense here. If DeWine and Graham only voted because they were instructed that way by the Whitehouse, that implies they would've voted with Frist. But if they had voted with Frist, then Frist had the votes. Now, if you believe that Graham/DeWine are covering for some other Republican senators who were going to vote against the fillibuster, why sacrifice Graham and DeWine? Why not pick one of the other senators who were going to vote against the rule change anyway? The Whitehouse story doesn't pass the smell test and fails based on simle logic. I don't know that DeWine or Graham are the source of the bogus story. I suspect that someone likes to do a lot of talking and is passing along silly rumours.

This hits it right on the head. Especially since DeWine is running in 2006. Why choose him as the sacrificial lamb. Why would he agree to be the sacrificial lamb when Specter would do so much better--the conservatives already dislike specter and he's not running for reelection anytime soon. So the story is internally contradictory.

42 posted on 05/27/2005 6:01:06 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: kcar

Targets can't work if a W steps in to back a Specter as he did in PA.

In other words not everyone is behind getting rid of RINOS.


43 posted on 05/27/2005 6:08:08 PM PDT by Spirited (God, Bless America, ;))
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To: wdkeller

I notice Rush says the story SEEMS to be false.

I don't think anyone knows anything for sure.


44 posted on 05/27/2005 6:40:26 PM PDT by Texas Deb
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To: Texas Deb
I notice Rush says the story SEEMS to be false.

Rush's language was a little bit stronger than that. Here's the entire quote from Rushlimbaugh.com:

" ... so I decided to check into it, and to the best of my ability to check in and verify this, it seems that this assertion is false. It seems that it is totally false."

45 posted on 05/27/2005 6:45:10 PM PDT by Babu
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To: b4its2late; Recovering_Democrat; Alissa; Pan_Yans Wife; LADY J; mathluv; browardchad; cardinal4; ...

46 posted on 05/27/2005 6:53:43 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: hflynn

You are right.
The media trumped this up. Big Time.
First vote out of the gate unrelated to judges is Bolton.
An appearance that they not only lied, but will fillibuster non-judicial nominees, as well.
And then we have three whole days and a long Senate vacation to discuss it.


47 posted on 05/27/2005 7:09:57 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Kenny Bunkport
Maybe because he's not?

Actually, if you think about it for a moment, you will see where your analysis fails. If Frist was part of the deal, there would be no need to bring bolton up before the "arranged judges". Frist seemed to be using Bolton as a "canary in a colemine" to test the donks before getting to the other judges. The canary died.

That's my take anyway. The fact that Frist brought up Bolton "before the judges" seems to be the biggest indicator that he knew nothing about any deal or script. Clearly, judges were supposed to come up before Bolton.

Occhams razor seems to say: DeWine is covering his rump.

The question becomes: What does Frist do next?

48 posted on 05/27/2005 7:18:03 PM PDT by Truth Table
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To: Kenny Bunkport

De Wine never would have risked his son's chance for election to be a water-boy for W.

However, if he thought he could get massive press and help his kid, he'd do it alone.

Here's the truth: I'm from Ohio. We were watching Fox when Shep (I believe) made the statement "an official from Mike De Wine's office just called and said there would be a press conference to discuss a deal reached on judicial nominees". Nobody else was even scheduled to appear - for about five minutes, it was all De Wine. When it's your personal Senator making an ass out of himself, time stands still. You recall vividly the very moment you considered putting your house up for sale and movinge to Texas.

Rush is right.

I think De Wine's office prematurely grabbed the spotlight and when McCain got wind of it, that's when it got delayed so all the old (insert vulgarity here) could get face time.

What started out as Mikey's day in the sun turned into McCain show-baoting and plugging his movie and pushing De Wine into the background.

Rush is right.


49 posted on 05/27/2005 7:18:34 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Kenny Bunkport

Because it is a colossal defeat.


50 posted on 05/27/2005 7:23:22 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (M.A.D. but with a share of the profits.)
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To: Jeff Head
Frist was on Hannity yesterday and stated emphatically and directly that he had no part in the deal and was very dissatified with it.

As the leader of the Senate Frist should have stopped the RINO7 from ever making their sordid deal. His failure to provide strong leadership put us in this position. That's why I voted Frist as the person most responsible for this disgrace on the FR poll.

51 posted on 05/27/2005 7:24:21 PM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: Dad yer funny

In relation to Lindsey Graham - all Americans who seek higher office should have to submit to a security clearance screen given to military personnel. If you can't pass it, you can't run for office.

It's only fair, and the reasons are so very obvious. How many of our Congress Princes are "compromised" by their backgrounds?


52 posted on 05/27/2005 7:26:49 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Soul Seeker

None of them have an ounce of credibilty.


53 posted on 05/27/2005 7:27:52 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (M.A.D. but with a share of the profits.)
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To: YaYa123

Spector blew town because he's a toad.


54 posted on 05/27/2005 7:28:18 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: mrmargaritaville

Sonafabitch's tears are most likely due to the fact that he would have some power or money to lose if Bolton goes to the UN. There's a link there somewhere......


55 posted on 05/27/2005 7:30:08 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: AlaskaErik

Frist was not going to "control" someone like McCain, who is trying vainly to position himself for the Presidency on the strength of betrayal and compromise. I believe Frist is doing a good job and will reserve contrary opinions until the reults of all of this are in.


56 posted on 05/27/2005 7:38:30 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: sirthomasthemore

Why does the President, or Frist, have to scream out in righteous indignation?

They can accomplish a lot behind the scenes and at a time of their own choosing.

FReepers don't really have that ability, but they do.

I'm not saying they will, or that they will even need or want to, but just because a bunch of people here make their anger public doesn't mean it's the best thing for the President or Frist to do.


57 posted on 05/27/2005 7:38:34 PM PDT by michaelt
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To: edskid
and neither one of them seemed to make any bones about DeWine's perfidy

What do you mean, they were okay with it, or unsurprised by it? I don't get your point.

58 posted on 05/27/2005 7:40:59 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Brett66

Thanks Brett. I've posted this phrase a dozen times, with no takers, "Can anyone explain why we don't make them ACTUALLY filibuster?" 7th grade civics: Make them keep talking, when they can't go any more, they yield the floor. The chair calls for a vote. No rule changes required. Nothing's getting done anyway, WTF?


59 posted on 05/27/2005 7:45:44 PM PDT by j_tull (There are only two types of ships... Submarines and targets.)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
Because ANYONE who is in the least bit politically savvy, knows that Frist and the president WORK BEHIND THE SCENES ! That's just one reason WHY this "spin" ( I call it BOVINE EXCREMENT!), that the president sent Graham and De Wine to cover his arse, STINKS to high heaven and rings false.

The "compromise" is a power grab/ a coup de tat and a knife in the back of Frist and President Bush. It's akin to Julius Caesar giving the murderers the daggers they used to knife him to death on the Ides of March. Hmmm...And they were all SENATORS and "friends" too.

60 posted on 05/27/2005 7:59:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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