Islam and the Quran - (sensational piece on how and why Islam is different from other faiths)

THE RANT.US ^ | MAY 21, 2005 | PETE FISHER

[PzGr43]

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>However, do those who do such things merit death? This
>is something about Islam I have never been able to
>understand, from the death warrant on Salman Rushdie
>to others in Islamic nations who have been put to death
>for supposedly blaspheming Islam, to the riots we see
>around the world presently for an irresponsible act
>of journalism.

Ferchrissakes get with the program.

See: Giordano Bruno, and others.

This has nothing to do with theology and everything to do with the state of development of the countries in the areas into which Islam spread.

Most of the moaning, whining, blubbing, demonstrating etc has nothing to do with Islam, either. Islam is the vehicle. Not the cause. They'll get over it. We just need to finish giving the place a clean-up.

[jolie560]

..."...the story we keep hearing of terrorists being the minority in Islam is nothing more than a fairy tale."...

Indeed---the fairy tale is that the terrorists are the minority. Terrorism is Mainstream Islam. That is why Terrorism is not confronted and not defeated in the Muslim World. Terrorism is essential to Islamic beliefs. Anyone who trifles with terrorists will be killed by the true Muslims--the terrorists themselves.

Today is Friday--how much money do you think the local Mosques in the USA raised today? Those funds that will be used to plot to kill non-Terrorists?

[Capt. Tom]

Anyone who trifles with terrorists will be killed by the true Muslims--the terrorists themselves. Good post Jolie.

The naive infidel thinks the Muslim is going to turn his back on God(Allah) to accommodate the non Muslims.

For Muslims this isn't about getting along with non- believers in this world. It is about getting them to submit and or killing the nonbeliever. Why? Read the 114 or so chapters in the Koran. I have, and have come to the same conclusion as Bin Laden and Zarqawi as to what Allah wants done.

Unfortunately for Osama he had all the worldly goods, in the form of a personal fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars and the USA kissing his ass and that of his family.

But he realized gaining the world and suffering the loss of his soul wasn't worth it. So he gave it up to follow what God (Allah) wants done,as have many other well to do Muslims.

What religious beliefs you or I have is not a factor in this religious war. It is what they believe and they are willing to put their lives on the line for their beliefs. Unless you realize it is strictly a religious war you will never understand the problem.

Another group as bad as the infidel are the Muslim heretics (Shias) who want to accommodates the infidel. They won't be safe from Allah's wrath even while praying in a mosque.

Stop trying to look at this from any standpoint other than God (Allah) wants them to kill us and our Muslim collaborators. -Tom

[Gritty]

Islam is a religion of peace the same as Communism is a religion of peace.

Saying so doesn't make it so!

[MHGinTN]

"But I have a huge problem with the mob mentality that screams for the blood of individuals for either a perceived or real action by someone against their religion." When a religion is a total fabrication from men's minds, then men have to go to extremes for their god ... it's self-aggrandizement don'tchaknow.

[jolie560]

So strong are the powers of Allah that true Muslims believe the Qu'ran to be true even beyond their own limited human days here on Earth.

Similar to other religions, that same pull of God exists beyond human days.

[Fred Nerks]

"And we all watch as Islamists word wide are running rampant in the streets without even knowing for sure if the story they heard was true or not. It will not even matter to them that the story has been retracted. They now have a reason to Jihad, and Jihad they will. The truth matters not, the fire has been lit and the violent protests have begun. It also seems not to matter that some Muslims claim the Quran condemns killing and mayhem. They will simply take the other verses that condone those actions and run with them."

IN THEIR BLACK HEARTS THEY ARE STILL NOTHING BUT PARASITIC NOMAD ARABS AND BARBARIANS KILLING, ROBBING, LYING AND CHEATING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE WORLD!


JOURNEYMAN PICTURES : short films : Children of Terror

http://www.journeyman.tv/?lid=17466
Exclusive! A secret propaganda video has emerged documenting the existence of terrorist training camps for children in Sudan.

“Look at the faces of these children… these are faces of the future of Islam that the West fails to see and the West is afraid of". The English voice-over on a fundraising video describes hundreds of children marching in a regimented style at an Islamist training camp. “Some of the Koran devotees in Sudan are only 4, 5 and 6 years old,” it goes on. “How this puts us adults to shame”.

At camps like this across Sudan, children are trained for war against the West. Eye-witnesses report pre-pubescent youths target training with AK-47 machine guns, negotiating flaming obstacles and climbing walls. “They were conducting training to a very high military standard”, states Lutfallah Ahmed Afifi, former head of security at one such camp. “The level of training was equal to that of Western military. I feared for my own life”. Every day the children chant mantras claiming they are arming themselves against America.

The children come from across Africa – Kenya, Nigeria, Chad – as well as Sudan. Most were captured and forced into the camp. “Without a shadow of a doubt, the children were brought there by force”, recalls Lutfallah. “Those who ran the camp had told the families that they would take care of the children and pay the family money”. Rapes and beatings are commonplace. Slavery in Sudan has a long tradition and is well documented, but this is a different form of bondage.

Worse still, there is evidence that the children are also being schooled in the use of basic battlefield chemical weapons. Lutfallah initially thought he was guarding an Islamic madrassa. But when he oversaw Government officials arriving to a secret laboratory even he wasn’t allowed in, he uncovered a terrible secret: “They bring teams of specialists from the Government Military laboratory – they come to teach the children in the use of unconventional weapons”.

There is no doubt these camps are known to the Sudanese Government, and despite assurances given to the West, Sudan is still supporting terror to serve its own interests. Ali Osman Mohammed Taha, serving vice president and main negotiator with the West on anti-terrorism matters, openly declares his war on the US to congregations of Muslim speakers. "This is going to be an open ended battle between us and the USA… an ongoing struggle” he is filmed saying in the Sudanese embassy in Malaysia. “The struggle will continue no matter how much it costs.” Taha goes on to explain how the Government facilitated the entry of Jemaah-al-Islamiya to attract Islamic and Arabic money into Sudan.

“The regime is not working for the welfare or interests of the Sudanese people”, explains Abd’ul Aziz Khattab, the man who filmed the speech and who defected his position with the Embassy to expose the actions of his Government. Sudan may be pretending to support the War on Terror, but the kidnapping, brutalising, brainwashing and militarising of children indicates their real intentions are quite different.


Hannah Lewis/Damien Lewis

[Brofholdonow]

You are right my friend. One of the greatest films ever. I just bought the DVD for my Father for his eighth birthday. He saw it on the screen when he was a kid in 1939.

This came to mind to me during Jimma Goober's administration when the father of all lunatics came to power in Iran. He was the head thugee in "Gunga Din."

[kurbs]

Even IF the koran is disrespected, does it give the right of a muslim to murder and destroy?

THAT is the difference the article makes concerning islam and real religions of peace.

If Allah is the true god as they claim, then he can fight his own battles, he doesn't need thugs to slaughter and oppress for him now, does he?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[MHGinTN]

Is there any record in History of the moon god doing anything?... Isn't everything claimed in Islam a product of human action? Pretty weak god it would appear, only able to act through human thuggery. Satan works like that. I wonder?????

[atomicweeder]

I believe you are absolutely right. There will be a massive world war between the Western World/China/Japan versus the Muslim World. It will end, undoubtedly, in the massive slaughter of tens or hundreds of millions of Muslims by the overwhelming nuclear superiority of the Western/Asian alliance. Let there be no doubt. It is coming. Forward thinkers like GWB, Cheney, Condi Rice all know this. They know this war has started.

[Fred Nerks]

"There will be a massive world war between the Western World/China/Japan versus the Muslim World. It will end, undoubtedly, in the massive slaughter of tens or hundreds of millions of Muslims by the overwhelming nuclear superiority of the Western/Asian alliance. Let there be no doubt. It is coming. Forward thinkers like GWB, Cheney, Condi Rice all know this. They know this war has started."

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Seems you are not the only one who thinks so, look what I found:

http://www.hindutva.org/

Shape of things to come in Iraq (and the world over)

• The elections are held in Iraq
• Sunni clerics denounce elections
• Voters are killed on election day in Terror attacks
• But election results are announced
• Sunni turnout is less than 20%
• Sunni clerics reject results
• Shia dominated govt is formed
• Sunnis call for US troops to leave
• New Shia dominated govt calls for phased pullout of US forces
• US forces begin a phased pullout
• They re-locate outside the cities in isolated fortified camps
• Terrorists blow off Iraqi parliament, Presidential palace Prime Minister’s residence
• Terrorists assassinate Ministers, Parliamentarians
• A full scale civil war starts between the Sunni dominated insurgents and the new Shia and Kurd Iraqi military
• Iran sends in insurgents to back Shias
• Saudis, Syrians, Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Palestinians send in insurgents to back Sunnis
• Saudis and Kuwaitis call for US action to stop Iran from intensifying the Iraqi civil war
• US seizes the opportunity and bombs Iranian nuke facilities
• Iran tries to crash missiles into Israel and Europe
• Internal rebellion breaks out in Iran
• US special forces start operating inside Iran to topple Mullah regime
• Iranian/Hezbollah forces stage terrorist attacks in Israel and in the West
• US launches an air blitz of Iran followed by a land invasion and sets up a new regime
• The Shah of Iran returns to Iran as a private citizen
• Shia-Hezbollah led terror attacks across the West and Israel intensify
• Israel invades Lebanon to wipe out the Hezbollah threat
• Egypt/Syria threaten Israel with serious consequences.
• Terrorist attacks originating from Gaza intensify in Israel
• Israel warns Syria with military action
• Spectacular mega terror attack in Israel
• Israel declares Syria to be culpable and launches a swift land and air assault on Syria
• Syria appeals for Arab military action to save itself
• Egypt, Jordan and Saudis start military action against Israel
• Israel overruns Jordan to join up with US forces stationed in Iraq
• Israel occupies Damascus
• US forces enter Syria from Syrian-Iraqi border in the North, join up with Israeli military
• After the conquest of Syria, Israel turns on Egypt, annexes Sinai, crosses Suez Canal and threatens Cairo
• Mecca, Medina, Mena, Jiddah taken off the map thru IAF (Israel Air Force) nuke strikes
• Upheaval in the entire Arab world
• Western diplomats and businessmen attacked, kidnapped, beheaded
• Anti-American riots in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia.
• Musharraf and Yudhyono regimes under tremendous pressure to give up pro-US stance
• Musharraf assassinated by pro-Jihadi elements in Army due to his association with the US. The Jihadis last straw being his helping the Americans in finding Iran's nuke sites as a trade off for letting AQ Khan off the hook. But Mushy's gamble does not pay off, as he loses his job and life.
• Jihadi regime in Pakistan ups hostility with India
• Jihadis succeed in smuggling nuclear devices in the US and exploding them simultaneously
• US army takes over US administration, suspends constitution
• US military regime blockades the UN and declares it persona non-grata
• US enters into emergency war council with Russia and Britain
• The triple alliance starts nuclear bombing military targets across the Islamic world
• Pakistani nukes taken out in first strike
• Pakistan explodes some nuke devices on India
• Indian retaliation wipes off Pakistan off the map – death toll in South Asia is over half a billion
• Widespread Hindu-Muslim riots in India on the lines of the Gujarat riots of 2002. Muslim population decimated, Hindus and Christians also suffer heavy death toll.
• Nuclear campaign launched by the triple alliance intensifies as many cities in the Islamic world are taken off the map to wipe off the air forces.
• Seaports in the Islamic world crippled to decapitate the navies
• Radiation causes second wave of deaths. The toll in secondary deaths more than three billion
• More than half of the fatalities are Muslims.
• Almost the entire population in the Muslim world is decimated.
• China joins war against Islam, wipes off Muslim (Ughir) population in Eastern Turkestan
• Muslims in Europe launch a wave of terror attacks in European capitals
• Conditions in Europe very disturbed in a civil war like situation
• Right wing coups in France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark. The new regimes join the triple alliance
• Widespread anti-Muslim riots in Europe aided by the militaries of those countries and NATO forces
• Domestic military action against Muslims in Europe intensifies as European militaries do combing operations to flush out Muslims
• The post-war Muslim population worldwide now accounts for only one percent of the global population concentrated mostly in Europe
• Military action ends, US, Britain and Russia announce reconstruction plan for the world
• Islam outlawed across the globe
• Residual Muslims worldwide embrace Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism. Judaism
• Humanity enters post-Islamic phase.
This write-up has been compiled based on analysis by Seymour Hersh and information at the following sites; Stratfor.org, Rand.org, Military.com

[PzGr43]

>But I do not see people screaming out the name of Jesus or >Krishna, or Buddha while performing deplorable acts of >evil.
>That's because these are Gods of Creation....Allah is a >god of destruction.

That's because you have very little experience of the world.


"For a few terrible weeks, Budapest belonged to the rampaging Arrow Cross hoodlums plus such freelance fanatics as Mrs Wilmos Salzer, a society lady who liked to burn naked Jewesses with candles ... Kurt Rettman, a former telephone company official who believed in shooting Jews on sight ... and Father Andreas Kun, a minorite monk clad in black cape and carrying a giant crucifix in one hand, snub-nose revolver in the other, and hate-literature in his robes. All three practised what they preached - and so did their followers. As his executioners aimed their rifles at Jews they had tortured within an inch of their lives, Father Kun would give the command: 'In the holy name of Jesus, fire !"

Page 192 "Nazi Hunter: The Wiesenthal File" Alan Levy


Then there's the 20,000 slaughtered at Bezier by Aleric, the Pope's representative, during the Albigensian Crusades, who supposedly said "Kill them all, God will know his own"

[MamaTexan]

That's because you have very little experience of the world.

That's because I was speaking of current times, not historical ones.

[kurbs]

Read the article. It says the author is fully aware of those atrocities having happened in different times. And even if it did happen once or twice in recent times, it is not only the extreme out layer, but definitely not the mass ideology.

Funny how muslims try and use crap that happened half a millenium ago to try and make real religions look as bad as their murderous cult. Pity.

[Wuli]

You said: "I prefer the virtues of a corporation where the goal is clear, all of the participants are encouraged to do their best, inititative is rewarded."

America is/was supposed to be as you view a corporation - a national public corporation of sorts; the constitution is/was - a "contract" that "we the people" have made/make with each other. Unfortunately, the Supremes keep throwing out our contract and trying to establish their own form of government in its place - a judicial oligarchy.

[DoctorMichael]

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[PzGr43]

>That's because you have very little experience of the >world.
>That's because I was speaking of current times, not >
>historical ones.
>

Then you're right - but unfortunately, many Islamic countries don't live in current times. There the organization of minor tribes which occurred during the period of transition from hunter-gathering to farmed surplus, they have lived under Khanates and Emirates. Some of them got whacked by the British Empire and the Russian Empire and others, but despite the arrival of the telegraph and the District Health Officer, little changed. They live in the Middle Ages to those of us in the 20thC. That's why they are like they are and why the world is like it is.

Honestly - do you think they have a view on the current organization of the Middle East, or can compare and contrast that region with the G7 nations ? How many can go down the street and buy a decent current affaires magazine - in Arabic (yeah I know you can't buy any in English either). You'd be surprised what they weren't aware of, things we take for granted.

[PzGr43]

It looks like the fuze didn't go off on the last message so let's try again:



>We have seen some disturbing instances lately concerning the perception of defilement of the Quran. First and foremost, I >do not condone defilement of any holy book. It serves no purpose, and it is inconsiderate.
>
>However, do those who do such things merit death? This is something about Islam I have never been able to understand, from >the death warrant on Salman Rushdie to others in Islamic nations who have been put to death for supposedly blaspheming >Islam, to the riots we see around the world presently for an irresponsible act of journalism.
>

"However, do those who do such things merit death?" The same way that heresy merited death for some Christians - mainly because it challenged the established order and property, and with 'The Church' being a big power-holder, Bishops ruling over their own Bishopbrics, then challenge to that order was more serious that challenge to mere dogma - it meant loss of cash.


>Even if what was reported was true, the deaths and mayhem that followed shows the world the heart of Islam. Now I will >most certainly receive a lot of emails from Muslims claiming this is not Islam, but depending on which Quran they >themselves read, they may also be guilty of not adhering to Islam according to many scholars in their own religion.
>

Religion is a vehicle. It is seen in the image of the beholder.

No-one runs their life by the theology, even the fundamentalists ie those who think they have a higher quantity of the theology in their lives than non-fundamentalists.

The theology was constructed by the theologians. If you ran it as a program in a computer, it would crash all the time because of the contradictions and ambiguities.

This is why theology is such a good servant and such a poor master. It serves the beholders. Not governs them.

There is not need to examine just Islam in this respect. Any religion will do.




>I believe every human has the right to protest if they feel an injustice was done to them. I have no problem with people >being angry if they feel their religion was slammed. But I have a huge problem with the mob mentality that screams for the >blood of individuals for either a perceived or real action by someone against their religion.
>

You have misread the current news. In Afghanistan for example, the protests were organized. And ready to take off-the-shelf. They were not spontaneous. The expose was posted on freerepublic. Hamid Karzai mentioned on his visit to the West.

The 'protests' are the same mechanism that the liberals had with their anti-war protests. These people did not find the call to arms in the invasion of Irak. They had a life-long campaign against the Imperialist oppressors and this was just a good opportunity to further it.


>And I will also no doubt receive many emails telling me that the West has committed atrocities against Muslims. And no >doubt they have. However, the emails I receive never claim the Western culture as the villain, but Christians and Jews, >specifically as a religious entity, not a culture.
>

I simply don't follow this bit. Western Culture ? Too vague to be of any use.


>And I always need to reply stating that if a Western nation goes to war or does something horrible, they never do it while >screaming “God is great”! or “Death to the unbelievers!”, they simply are going the way of mankind and doing what they do >for their own self interest.
>

So it's OK as long as you don't shout anything while charging someone else's trenches or firebombing a foreign city ?


>But Islam seems to differ greatly from the other great religions in this respect. The emails this last year I have >received also solidify my feelings on this issue, because many have been quite biting and violent. Yes, I am a Christian. >And many times in my life I have heard people bad mouth God. I have seen people desecrate the Bible. I have been told >religion is for the weak and stupid. I have been told there is no God. I have laughed at, I have heard the skeptics rail >on the Bible, and I have heard the worst of what man can think about God, Christianity, Judaism, and the Bible.
>

Oh I get it ... Christianity is different because it's in your image while Islam is rotten because it's in theirs.


>I have also seen Buddhists and Jews endure the same treatment of their religion and God, as well as Hindus. But Between >Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, we all seem to take the position that all people have a right to believe >what they desire, and all will bear the consequences of their beliefs and actions either in the hereafter, or in the next >life however it is perceived.
>

"that all people have a right to believe what they desire" Again you are merely one of this people who are emailing you telling you that their version of Islam is not someone else's:

We had the Inquisition and the Albigensian Crusades and the death sentence handed out to heretics like Giordano Bruno.

It's just occurred to me that a lot of people will not realize that the Albigensian Crusades took place in Europe and were so that heretics could be exterminated by Christians.

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Perhaps you'd like to claim that their Christianity is not your Christianity. Feel bad that murders are being committed in your name ? Feel you're being tarred with the same brush ? That's just too bad.


>We feel our God can not only defend Himself without our petty interference, but He is also the only worthy judge of our >lives and actions. Though we may strive for a more holy lifestyle, we all recognize our weaknesses and attempt to better >ourselves while creating no harm to others.
>

"Though we may strive for a more holy lifestyle, we all recognize our weaknesses and attempt to better >ourselves while creating no harm to others"

Just like most Muslims.


>And we all watch as Islamists world wide are running rampant in the streets without even knowing for sure if the story they >heard was true or not.

Now we're into propaganda rather than fact and analysis. BILLIONS of Muslims stayed at home.


>It will not even matter to them that the story has been retracted. They now have a reason to Jihad, >and Jihad they will.

Yeah yeah the sky's falling in.


>The truth matters not, the fire has been lit and the violent protests have begun.
>

Excellent - real rabble rousing stuff. You're on a roll ! Keep going !

Stop ! Wait ! I can hear they coming down the street now !

>It also seems not >to matter that some Muslims claim the Quran condemns killing and mayhem. They will simply take the other verses that >condone those actions and run with them.
>

Just like all believers everywhere. See above paragraphs.


>And people will die. Homes and property will be destroyed, lives ruined. And all due to a supposed blaspheming of the >Quran. Now I may be wrong, but my idea of blasphemy was that a god or entity had to be spoken of irreverently, not a book >or religion itself.
>

What's the difference ?


>But Fatwah have been issued worldwide because someone either blasphemed Islam, the Quran, Muhammad, or Allah. People have >been murdered for speaking against a religion that I have been told hundreds of times is NOT a religion of compulsion.
>

Islam is a religion of compulsion to those who want it to be that way. It is their vehicle. Others see it differently. All are wrong.


>They have been ostracized for not believing, killed for leaving, and beheaded for Islam or their take against it.
>

>And I am not talking about the period of the Crusades, or any other time in history where the medieval mind ruled.
>

Bzzzzzt .... Islamic countries differ from the Middle Ages in that they now have telex. That's it. The medieval mind (frequently) rules.

Western countries, of course, differ from the Middle Ages in that they don't wear colorful uniforms and can slaughter each other's civilian population in their thousands from 22,000 feet. The 20thC was the most barbarous yet in European history. And it's all so far behind us ... like five years behind us.

Muslim small boy: "Daddy, why are the Westerners so barbarous, slaughtering all those innocent women and children like they did ?"
Muslim Dad: "I don't know son, they're just barbarians I guess."

But wait I hear you cry ! That was not us kind-hearted Freedonian Christians ! It was the wicked black-hearted Sylvanian Christians.

Muslim Dad: "Don't listen to him son. They're all the same these Christians"


>I am >talking now, 2005 in an age of information, an age of education, mass media, telecommunications, and on and on.
>

What's this got to do with it ? None of these things are prevalent in Islamic countries - information is controlled. It's difficult enough to find out what's really happening from the US media - do you think they can make a better go of it ?


>And I see not one Western Muslim entity who claims Islam is peace over in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, Sudan, or anywhere en masse in a huge effort to educate their brethren in what they consider a peaceful religion.

Don't understand this sentence.


>I have heard a spattering of >imams decrying terror and murder, but with 2 billion people worldwide, one might think perhaps that the story we keep >hearing of terrorists being the minority in Islam is nothing more than a fairy tale.
>

Bzzzzzttt.... as per other paragraphs. People do not speak their mind in police states. And there has never been a time when they could.


>If Allah needs his people to kidnap for him, murder for him, riot for him, and if the Quran needs to be shown to the world >as a Holy book using the same methods, how will this world ever see Islam, Allah, and the Quran as anything else than a >bloody entity?
>

Millions of Muslims do none of the above. You make them sound like a 50s Sci-Fi plague.


>Yet the so called peaceful Muslims try and talk to those who are not Muslim, and try to teach us the more peaceful ways of >Islam they claim exist.
>

Rhetoric.


>But it is not us who need to hear these things. We are not the ones kidnapping, murdering, raping, >beheading, all the while screaming out the name of our God.
>

Neither are millions of Muslims.


>Governments may do these things. But I do not see people >screaming out the name of Jesus or Krishna, or Buddha while performing deplorable acts of evil.
>

Again - you seem to focus on keeping quiet while you are committing atrocities. I'm all for keeping the noise down, but fail to see the significance of this point. I posted a paragraph showing instances of Christians doing that.


>It is Islam itself that needs to be educated by you peaceful Muslims.
>

No doubt it will happen in the same way that Christian got over its period of murdering non-believers, burning alive those who uttered contradicitons to established orthodoxy, mounting Holy Wars against those Christians who differed in their interpretation.


>Not the rest of us. We see what we see, and we know >what we know, and whether you believe it or not, many of us have read the Quran and felt it was not for us and perhaps >chose another religion. But our former religion did not have us killed or ordered to be put to death for leaving. Some >have even left our religions and become Satanists. Sad as it may be to the followers of the God of Abraham, we believe >they have their choice and will face God Himself. We truly believe our God is strong enough and holy enough to defend >Himself and to rightly judge others. He does not want us to, or need us to commit acts of evil to show the world He is >Holy and Just. Some will mock Him, mock the Bible, and our ways. But we have no right to slaughter those who do so.
>

"But we have no right to slaughter those who do so" Oh wait. So when did this happen ? I'm not always up on current affaires and might have missed it. I suppose it was the Reformation when the last big slaughter on minor religious differences took place.

And a lot of people in Northern Ireland have a different view to yours.


>Muslims, teach your own. Go into the world and put your faith to the test. Go to the aforementioned nations and get on >those loud speakers yourselves. Decry those actions and diffuse this madness through your teachings and outreach to >Muslims who have been deceived. And perhaps the world will believe your message when we see that happen.
>



>Or are you afraid perhaps that those passages they use from the Quran can not be debated? And perhaps by teaching peace >and love, compassion and truth, that you yourself may be the next blasphemer and sentenced to death?
>
>I often wonder why those who proclaim peace in Islam never seem to take the message to where the violence is. They simply >seem to try and tell us that the atrocities we see in the name of Islam are not what Islam espouses.
>

Murder is a (capital) offense in these countries.


>But I say, images and actions speak louder than opinion. Until you allow Allah to fight his own battles, your people and >religion will always be suspect.
>

So the entire group of millions of Muslims are suspect ? Perhaps we should take Aleric, the Pope's representative, at the massacre at Bezier in France: "Kill them all God will know his own !" - Oh but wait - he was a Christian. Oh dashit - it's all so complicated.

>Pete Fisher is a concerned citizen in the Chicago area who has written several articles on the economy, educational >system, politics, and religion. He has been feature on several sites such as RenewAmerica.us, Blessedcause.com, >Michnews.com, RichardMullenax.com, The Rant.us, and has been circulated on various other sites worldwide. He is a 6 year >veteran of the Armed Forces.
>

You, my friend, are just as bad as the rabble-rousing Immams which you criticize in your text. The terrorists who camouflage their own psychopathogens in Islam don't worry me. I can deal with them with a three 230 grain JHPs, two to the body, one to the head. But people like you are a much more subtle customer, and while not dangerous in yourself, you could well bring about, possibly well-meaning, but ultimately ignorant actions in others. I hope enlightenment is visited upon you.