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Judge: Public has right to see abuse photos (Abu Ghraib)
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 5/26/05 | Larry Neumeister - AP

Posted on 05/26/2005 6:45:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (AP) - A federal judge has told the government it will have to release additional pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, civil rights lawyers said.

Judge Alvin Hellerstein, finding the public has a right to see the pictures, told the government Thursday he will sign an order requiring it to release them to the American Civil Liberties Union, the lawyers said.

The judge made the decision after he and government attorneys privately viewed a sampling of nine pictures resulting from an Army probe into abuse and torture at the prison. The pictures were given to the Army by a military policeman assigned there.

ACLU lawyer Megan Lewis told the judge she believes the government has pictures of abuse beyond the Abu Ghraib images that sparked outrage around the world after they were leaked to the media last year.

Some of the thousands of pages of documents the government has released to the ACLU seem to refer to such images, and the government has not denied that additional photos exist, she said.

The judge decided some pictures from Abu Graib could be released to comply with the Freedom of Information Act while others must be redacted or were not relevant to the ACLU's request, Lewis said.

She said the judge's findings likely would clear the way for the release of other pictures of detainees taken around the world by U.S. authorities.

"I do think they could be extremely upsetting and depict conduct that would outrage the American public and be truly horrifying," she said outside court.

The judge ordered the transcript of comments made during his viewing of the pictures sealed. He did not disclose his findings in court, but said his order "will lead to production (of the pictures) or further proceedings."

"Further proceedings" presumably referred to possible appeals by government lawyers, who declined to comment as they left the hearing. A message left with a government spokeswoman was not immediately returned.

Before viewing the pictures, the judge said in court that he thought "photographs present a different level of detail and are the best evidence the public can have of what occurred."

Government lawyer Sean Lane argued that releasing pictures, even if faces and other features are obscured, would violate Geneva Convention rules on prisoner treatment by subjecting detainees to additional humiliation or embarrassment. He said the emotional wounds would be reopened because detainees could identify themselves and because the public would learn their identities.

The judge, however, said, "I don't believe with suitable redaction there is an unwarranted invasion of privacy." He also said he didn't think it was likely that detainees in redacted photos would be able to be identified.

The judge's decision stems from a lawsuit the ACLU filed in October 2003 seeking information on treatment of detainees in U.S. custody and the transfer of prisoners to countries known to use torture. The ACLU contends that prisoner abuse is systemic.

So far, 36,000 pages of documents and the reports of 130 investigations, mostly from the FBI and Army, have been turned over to the ACLU. The group is seeking documents from the CIA and the Defense Department as well.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abughraib; abuse; activistcourt; commiejudge; genevaconvention; hateamericafilth; hatingamerica; judge; morenakedtwisterpics; photos; pow; public; right; ruling; treatmentofpows; warcrimes
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To: NormsRevenge
ACLU = Atheist Criminal Lunatic Union
21 posted on 05/26/2005 6:54:07 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: Paul Atreides

Oh I'm sure Oprah, has set up a show with Abbas, to tell America how peaceful Islam is. :)

Jeff


22 posted on 05/26/2005 6:54:46 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

At some point......well you all know what I'm feeling. It's time to start calling these people the true enemies that they are, not just in our forum but to every person who is in ear shot (or Buck shot).


23 posted on 05/26/2005 6:54:48 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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The public has the right to see this stuff, but Paris Hilton's burger commercial is just immoral. Gotta love it.


24 posted on 05/26/2005 6:54:56 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: NormsRevenge

I'd rather see John Kerry's military records. He reported through a mouthpiece that he signed his form 180 on May 9th(?) but that he had yet to submit it to the Dept of the Navy.


25 posted on 05/26/2005 6:55:00 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: NormsRevenge

Federal Government to Klintoon appointed activist Judge and the ACLU......"Piss Off"


26 posted on 05/26/2005 6:55:07 PM PDT by stm
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To: NormsRevenge

In other news today Federal Judge Liberalforbrains, a Clinton pick, ordered nuclear weapons secrets released to Iran and North Korea because it give the United States an unfair weapons trade advantage violating provisions of the anti trust law statutes.


27 posted on 05/26/2005 6:55:41 PM PDT by Nateman (We know who the seven dwarfs are, who is Snow White?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Let's throw some more gasolene on the fire!

Idiots.


28 posted on 05/26/2005 6:55:52 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NormsRevenge

So the MSM stopped using pictures of 9/11 and people jumping out of buildings because it might upset Americans.

But they have no problem showing inflammatory pictures of what a few misguided and arrested individuals did in a prison overseas, even if it inflames Muslims.

Oops, the liberal's agenda is showing.


29 posted on 05/26/2005 6:56:40 PM PDT by Peach
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To: NormsRevenge

Tell him hell no.


30 posted on 05/26/2005 6:56:43 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: muawiyah
Part of the problem with the pictures is they violate Geneva Convention provisions.

Yep. It seems the anti-American ACLU and this liberal judge want as much American bloodshed as they can get.
If it isn't deadly - it isn't liberal enough.

31 posted on 05/26/2005 6:58:50 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: NormsRevenge
If this wasn't so damn tragic it would be hilarious. What the hell is going on? Doesn't this Judge KNOW we are fighting a war and this will only aid and abet our enemy??

Everyday, at every turn, the Judicial system and the leftists seem bound and determined to destroy this nation. I am sick of these rulings by the bench.

32 posted on 05/26/2005 6:59:04 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: NormsRevenge
I am so F***in' sick and F***in' tired of all these F***in' commie F***ers F***in' with ME!

Reagan fired the ATCers ... can't these F***in' commie judges be relieved by fiat of SOME F***in' kind?

What good does more pictures do anyway?

It's a damned good thing I don't drink or do drugs or this would be the night I end up in jail or dead.

Yeah ... I'm really F***in' pissed!

No, I will not < / rant >

33 posted on 05/26/2005 7:00:12 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let's see 'em,now!.

Let's see what happened,then let everyone see the beheadings,our soldiers bodies hanging on a bridge,the childrens bodies ripped apart by the so called "insurgents" car bombs.

Oh,guess the sheepoles will only see the Abu Ghraib photos,nevermind.

34 posted on 05/26/2005 7:00:52 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: NormsRevenge

These Liberal Judges are communist through and through. Their goal is to destroy this country.
You don't release information like that in time of war. It will only cause more of our troops to die.


35 posted on 05/26/2005 7:03:17 PM PDT by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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Breathes there the man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said,
This is my own, my native land!
Whose heart hath ne’er within him burned,
As home his footsteps he hath turned
From wandering on a foreign strand!
If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
For him no minstrel raptures swell;
High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonored , and unsung.


36 posted on 05/26/2005 7:10:17 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: PISANO
Doesn't this Judge KNOW we are fighting a war and this will only aid and abet our enemy??

Yes, he knows quite well what he's doing. He's a liberal activist judge.
In order to build a Socialist utopia, the society we have now has to be destroyed and rebuilt from the rubble up.
He knows exactly what he's doing!

37 posted on 05/26/2005 7:10:26 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: auggy

Now is the time for the Executive branch to tell the Judiciary to go and pound sand.


38 posted on 05/26/2005 7:11:17 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: NormsRevenge
Government lawyer Sean Lane argued that releasing pictures, even if faces and other features are obscured, would violate Geneva Convention rules on prisoner treatment by subjecting detainees to additional humiliation or embarrassment.

I recall that when the MSM first started pumping Abu Ghraib one of the men in the pictures, who was quickly identified, noted that the media exposure was worse then the original abuse.

This is a good deal of the point of the Geneva Conventions, that the MSM and ACLU apparently used to be so concerned about.

Of course on a more fundamental level, the question is how does releasing these pictures help us win the WoT. If releasing them does not, and I think this is almost certainly the case, the government should be obligated to sit on them until the conflict is over.
39 posted on 05/26/2005 7:17:33 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton)
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To: Dr.Hilarious
Funny how they never seem this outraged at abuse in American prisons, by prisoners on prisoners, for example.

I've made this point myself to no answer. If military police abusing prisoners under their control is national news, why isn't every case of police officers/prison guards abusing prisoners under their control national news?

Hell, I remember when the AG of CA was cracking jokes about how he hoped the head of Enron would be repeatedly raped in prison after being convicted...
40 posted on 05/26/2005 7:22:22 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton)
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