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Sponsor of Stem Cell Bill Says Senate Could Override a Veto
NY Times ^ | May 26, 2005 | SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Posted on 05/26/2005 4:47:32 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON, May 25 - Senator Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican and chief sponsor of a bill to expand federal financing for human embryonic stem cell research, issued a stark challenge to President Bush on Wednesday, saying he had enough votes in the Senate to override a presidential veto of the measure.

"I don't like veto threats, and I don't like statements about overriding veto threats," Mr. Specter said, speaking at a news conference where the House backers of the measure presented him the legislation, which passed the House on Tuesday, topped with a red bow.

"But if a veto threat is going to come from the White House, then the response from the Congress is to override the veto, if we can," Mr. Specter added. "Last year we had a letter signed by some 58 senators, and we had about 20 more in the wings. I think if it really comes down to a showdown, we will have enough in the United States Senate to override a veto."

But the House majority leader, Representative Tom DeLay of Texas, said the bill, which garnered a majority that fell 52 votes short of the two-thirds majority required to overturn a veto, would "never become law." And Mr. Bush, appearing at a news conference with the president of Indonesia, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, restated his opposition.

"I believe that the use of federal monies that end up destroying life is not - is not positive, it's not good," Mr. Bush said. "And so, therefore, I'm against the extension of the research, of using more federal dollars on new embryonic stem cell lines."

The back-and-forth came as Mr. Specter and other supporters of embryonic stem cell research made a push for the Senate to take up the legislation. The majority leader, Senator Bill Frist of...

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To: shhrubbery!

How can we find out why Reeve was HAIRLESS?? Any ideas? What else makes one totally HAIRLESS except chemotherapy?


21 posted on 05/26/2005 5:47:42 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: neverdem

Well, that's nice that Spectre doesn't like a power available to all President's to check the Legislative Body from behaving as Lords, but I'm sure the President could equally rebut he doesn't appreciate a Senator unappreciative of the efforts to help him keep his Senate seat.

The Senate's actions on this are meaningless, I believe, provided the House doesn't provide a 2/3rd's vote.


22 posted on 05/26/2005 5:58:19 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Ann Archy
What else makes one totally HAIRLESS except chemotherapy?

MedicineNet Main Article on Hair Loss

23 posted on 05/26/2005 6:11:11 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Ann Archy

He had Alopecia which causes your hair to fall out in clumps and makes it look patchy, so he gave up and shaved it.


24 posted on 05/26/2005 6:14:48 PM PDT by Nomad817
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To: neverdem

Maybe next time the President will think twice before helping a liberal republican win a primary.


25 posted on 05/26/2005 6:15:04 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Brimack34

"Maybe next time the President will think twice before helping a liberal republican win a primary."



Specter already cost Bush Pennsylvania in the November elections (Specter got huge turnout from Philly-area RINOs who voted for Kerry, and there was low turnout from conservatives in rural areas). If that didn't wake Bush up to how it doesn't pay to campaign for RINOs in primaries (especially in a strongly pro-life and pro-gun state such as PA), nothing will.


26 posted on 05/26/2005 6:21:46 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: shhrubbery!

I think there may be a lot of STRATEGERY going on behind the scenes.

I've been as frustrated as everyone else the last few days, but this puts a bit of a different light on the compromise.

I think this poker hand will be played out in time - I'm holding judgement until it does.

And Specter is still a POS.


28 posted on 05/26/2005 7:24:11 PM PDT by Texas Deb
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
Can anyone tell me when was the last great breakthrough in medicine that didn't do extensive higher mammalian research/trials BEFORE moving to humans? ... What is the rush to commit cannibalism on human life before proving methodologies with other mammalian models? Folks, this entire rush to cannibalism that Specter sees as 'enlightened medical advancement' is demonic in nature. What will be left of our 'fear of God' when we are extending our lives via cannibalism? We will no longer be growing in Grace and Knowledge, we will be spitting in God's face. This road Specter wants this nation upon with all haste is but the starting gate for the euphemistically named 'therapeutic cloning' and tissue banks held by grand corporations. Evil is strutting boldly with men like Arlen Specter to do its work. And this is not a new direction for Specter for he's been in Harkin's pocket for years as proved during the appropriations hearings of years ago when Harkin chaired the committee and wanted funding for ESCR under Clinton's watch ... and of course the degenerate sinkEmperor opened the door then through NIH.
29 posted on 05/26/2005 7:59:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: neverdem; hocndoc; cpforlife.org

The President's Council On Bioethics has a great backgrounder site (a .gov site) that can extend education on stem cells and has lots of diagrams, etc. I'm not on my own computer or I could give you the link and several other really good sites. Perhaps hocndoc can offer it.


30 posted on 05/26/2005 8:02:16 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

I think we both know the reason: they want to justify the continued slaughter of the unborn. The advances in ultrasound technology have been helping the pro-life cause, so they're looking for some kind of counter-argument, and frankly, they're grasping at straws.


31 posted on 05/26/2005 8:04:37 PM PDT by B Knotts (Viva il Papa!)
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To: B Knotts

Between you and me, it is what one expects of servants to evil when they ignore and reject the whispers of God's Holy Spirit of conviction. HUman need to self-justify will go to astonishingly bad lengths to justify past wrongful decisions. Once wholesale slaughter has been defended for three plus decades, the need in the dead human 'heart' is to justify and ANY direction that seems to have a high ideal (though it really be cannibalism) is a tool to push God away and seem to raise human choice to godlike power. To awaken is to die to self, and self-promoters/self-agrandizers cannot abide that! Sadly, they ARE taking this once great nation down the slippery funnel to Hell with them, now intending to use cannibalism as the grease for slide.


32 posted on 05/26/2005 8:12:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Agreed. I pray they do not succeed.


33 posted on 05/26/2005 8:14:49 PM PDT by B Knotts (Viva il Papa!)
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To: MHGinTN
Human Cloning and Human Dignity: An Ethical Inquiry

Is this the link?

34 posted on 05/26/2005 8:15:36 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
That is one. There was a site that included the minutes of their meetings, with opening comments and the full text of guest speakers. If you go to my manuscript, I have a link in the bibliography at the end. [http://weneedtalk.blogspot.com That's the page where you'll find the link to the html or PDF formats graciously made available by Calpernia.]
35 posted on 05/26/2005 8:22:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: neverdem

Well, that's nice, Senator, but the Senate can't override a veto on its own.


36 posted on 05/26/2005 8:24:59 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (The Force can have a powerful effect on the weak minded...)
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To: neverdem

[ http://bioethicsprint.bioethics.gov ] Might find more pathways at that addy.


37 posted on 05/26/2005 8:26:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Well, you've also got to remember that liberalism runs very strongly through the scientific community. I am presently in an academic setting and it is standard practice to look down on any research that is privately funded, especially if it is funded by a pharmaceutical company. For many scientists, your funding is only pure if it comes from the government. However, you are just as likely to overstate the importance of any data to justify the renewal of a government funded grant as you are a pharmaceutical. And you are also much more prone to channel the results to confirm whatever pet theory meets the approval of liberal ideology - witness most global warming research. The two "premiere" scientific journals - Nature and Science - are AS political, if not more so than anything you will see in the NYT. It is considered very presitigious to be published in these journals, but, if you examine them closely you will see that most of the articles fall within a very narrow range of topics - and they almost all conform to the liberal view of the world. Therefore, any paper extolling the virtues of embryonic stem cells will be strongly considered by these journals. The same for any paper which purports to support the failed global warming models. And anyone who departs from this orthodoxy is the subject of scathing criticism and not so subtle threats to pull their grant funding!


38 posted on 05/26/2005 9:04:16 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: Nomad817

Did his eyebrows and eyelashes all out in clumps also or did he shave those off also?


39 posted on 05/26/2005 9:23:45 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Nomad817

What is Alopecia and what is i caused from?


40 posted on 05/26/2005 9:24:23 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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