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Sponsor of Stem Cell Bill Says Senate Could Override a Veto
NY Times ^ | May 26, 2005 | SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Posted on 05/26/2005 4:47:32 PM PDT by neverdem

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Basic Embryology Review Program

After checking this link, which seems to be undergoing improvement, I don't think they will be making much progress in a petri dish. If anyone knows of any better links on human embryology, I would appreciate it if you let me know.

1 posted on 05/26/2005 4:47:33 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 05/26/2005 4:48:49 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

The senate might be able to override the veto, but I doubt the house could.


3 posted on 05/26/2005 4:48:53 PM PDT by Righty_McRight
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To: neverdem

The Frankenspecter speaks!


4 posted on 05/26/2005 4:49:03 PM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: neverdem

I think the last tactic to use against W is a showdown....

I think we all know he won't back down, especially from Specter...


5 posted on 05/26/2005 4:49:32 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Is anyone else ready for football to begin again?)
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To: TheDon
I am really starting to have great disdain for Specter...

What an absolute creep he is.

Wish DeLay would hammer this bast*rd back to the stone age.

6 posted on 05/26/2005 4:50:54 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Habemus Papum)
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To: neverdem

So Specter couldn't be bothered to hang around DC today to vote on Bolton, but he's announcing he's all set to override the President's veto on funding embryonic stem cell research? !@#$%!!!


7 posted on 05/26/2005 4:51:20 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: neverdem

Does Specter have Cancer or AIDS? I have heard conflicting stories.


8 posted on 05/26/2005 4:51:44 PM PDT by marymc
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To: neverdem

Geez, these bozos can't get judges through, can't vote on Bolton, etc. but say they can override a pie-in-the-sky scheme of "promise" based on unsure science?

Why do all the "embryonic stem cells will cure all ills" goofballs consistently say missile defense is "impossible" or a manned mission to Mars is "unfeasible and probably impossible" or drilling and refining our own oil "will kill everything on the planet", or "if we kill that one snail darter the entire eco-system will collapse", blah, blah, blah?

Inconsistency in argument is as bad as hypocrisy.


9 posted on 05/26/2005 4:53:03 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The New 7 RINO Dwarfs: Cowardly, Cranky, Dopey, Goofy, Mealy, Sorry and Wussy)
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To: MikeinIraq
I think the last tactic to use against W is a showdown....

I think we all know he won't back down, especially from Specter...

The last thing we want to see is pictures of Arlen Specter in his underwear in a British newspaper! :)

10 posted on 05/26/2005 4:53:34 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: neverdem
The current state of stem cell research is analogous to one of us going into a nuclear power plant and flipping random switches to see what happens. Just to get a cell to grow outside of it's normal environment, you introduce changes. Further manipulation of the stem cell to mutate the DNA can also have other unforeseen consequences. By the time you are done and want to reintroduce it back into the host, you clearly have no idea all of the things you have actually done to it. And chances are actually very high that you are introducing a source of future cancer stem cells into the body.
11 posted on 05/26/2005 4:54:23 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: TheDon
Sounds like 007 needs to pay S.P.E.C.T.R.E. another visit, eh?

-Regards, T.
12 posted on 05/26/2005 4:57:18 PM PDT by T Lady (G.W. Bush to Kerry & the MSM: "I've come to settle the Family Business.")
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To: marymc
Does Specter have Cancer or AIDS? I have heard conflicting stories.

IIRC, he has a type of lymphoma called Hodgkin's disease.

13 posted on 05/26/2005 5:02:45 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero

At least one recent study suggests that the longer the stem cells hang around undifferentiated in vitro, the greater the chance of them turning cancerous in vivo.

Unfortunately, I don't have a link to the article I read. I believe it applied to both embryonic and non-embryonic stem cells used in animal studies.


14 posted on 05/26/2005 5:07:27 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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Why was Christopher Reeve totally HAIRLESS when he died??? My friend says it was because he had an experimental Embryonic stem cell therapy done, developed a tumor from that, had to have chemotherapy, but succumbed from the cancer anyway. Anyone know for sure?

Reeve didn't become HAIRLESS from his spinal injury.

15 posted on 05/26/2005 5:09:19 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: neverdem

I heard tonight that it was Specter's refusal to say how he would vote on the nuclear option that priompted Republican leaders to send deWine out to make the best deal he could. He must be dying, because he sure has no fear this week....and he really owes Bush.


16 posted on 05/26/2005 5:11:49 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Yes, the same is basically true of any cell that you culture outside of the body. We don't necessarily know of all the growth factors they need to group and develop properly. Also, we are putting them under selection pressures that favor cells that divide rapidly. Manipulation of the DNA damages it in often unintended ways. By the time you put it back into the body, you really have changed it in many ways, many of them undetectable. And you can't really practically sequence its whole genome before you do, to make sure that you've only changed the things you wanted.


17 posted on 05/26/2005 5:23:11 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: ClaireSolt

The way I understood it was that it was President Bush who sent Dewine and Graham in to make the best compromise possible as Frist could not count on Specter for the 51st vote - Specter would not commit one way or another.


18 posted on 05/26/2005 5:26:05 PM PDT by Texas Deb
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To: Ann Archy
Why was Christopher Reeve totally HAIRLESS when he died??? My friend says it was because he had an experimental Embryonic stem cell therapy done, developed a tumor from that, had to have chemotherapy, but succumbed from the cancer anyway. Anyone know for sure?

WOW. Verrrrry interesting. I have no idea if it's true, but it sure sounds plausible to me.

I too had wondered why Reeve had no hair --not even eyebrows left.

19 posted on 05/26/2005 5:40:11 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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To: Texas Deb
The way I understood it was that it was President Bush who sent Dewine and Graham in to make the best compromise possible as Frist could not count on Specter for the 51st vote - Specter would not commit one way or another.

I heard that too. And before I heard it, I suspected it.

I think some folks are stomping a bit too hard on DeWine and Graham without knowing the full story. We'll see how this all plays out.

IMO there is a masterful chess game being played here, and it will NOT end in a win for the Dims.

That said, it's still true that Specter is a rat.

20 posted on 05/26/2005 5:45:28 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
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