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President Welcomes Palestinian President Abbas to the White House [Major gains for Abbas]
IMRA ^ | 5-26-05

Posted on 05/26/2005 1:51:42 PM PDT by SJackson

President Welcomes Palestinian President Abbas to the White House
The Rose Garden
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050526.html 11:31 A.M. EDT

[IMRA: Major gains for Abbas:
#1 1949 Armistice lines as starting point of reference rather than '67 lines.
#2 Explicit reference to Jerusalem in the phrase "Israel should not undertake any activity that...prejudice final status negotiations with regard to Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem." It should be noted that when the not "prejudicing" final status was first introduced in Oslo that it actually meant no unilateral Israeli annexation. Unfortunately, thanks to a combination of benign and sometime intentional neglect on the part of Israeli officials the interpretation of this phrase has been asymmetrically extended beyond recognition to apply to Israeli construction while ignoring Palestinian construction. #3 Acceptance of validity of a "terror" party running in the elections. #4 Implicit acceptance of the PA position that the "punishment" for murdering Israelis is a day job in the PA security forces.

Minor gain for Israel:
Israel's control of the envelope of Gaza should change only with trust. This raises an interesting question as it means that PM Sharon's rush to retreat from the Philadelphi Corridor does not appear to be required by Mr. Bush.]

PRESIDENT BUSH: Thank you. Mr. President, it is my honor to welcome the democratically elected leader of the Palestinian people to the White House.

We meet at a time when a great achievement of history is within reach, the creation of a peaceful, democratic Palestinian state. President Abbas is seeking that goal by rejecting violence and working for democratic reform. I believe the Palestinian people are fully capable of justly governing themselves, in peace with their neighbors. I believe the interests of the Israeli people would be served by a peaceful Palestinian state. And I believe that now is the time for all parties of this conflict to move beyond old grievances and act forcefully in the cause of peace.

President Abbas's election four months ago was a tribute to the power and appeal of democracy, and an inspiration to the people across the region. Palestinians voted against violence, and for sovereignty, because only the defeat of violence will lead to sovereignty.

Mr. President, the United States and the international community applaud your rejection of terrorism. All who engage in terror are the enemies of a Palestinian state, and must be held to account. We will stand with you, Mr. President, as you combat corruption, reform the Palestinian security services and your justice system, and revive your economy. Mr. President, you have made a new start on a difficult journey, requiring courage and leadership each day -- and we will take that journey together.

As we work for peace, other countries must step up to their responsibilities. Arab states must take concrete measures to create a regional environment conducive to peace. They must offer financial assistance to all -- to support the peaceful efforts of President Abbas, his government and the Palestinian people. And they must refuse to assist or harbor terrorists.

Israel must continue to take steps toward a peaceful future, and work with the Palestinian leadership to improve the daily lives of Palestinians, especially their humanitarian situation. Israel should not undertake any activity that contravenes road map obligations or prejudice final status negotiations with regard to Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Therefore, Israel must remove unauthorized outposts and stop settlement expansion. The barrier being erected by Israel as a part of its security effort must be a security, rather than political, barrier. And its route should take into account, consistent with security needs, its impact on Palestinians not engaged in terrorist activities. As we make progress toward security, and in accordance with the road map, Israeli forces should withdraw to their positions on September the 28th, 2000.

Any final status agreement must be reached between the two parties, and changes to the 1949 Armistice lines must be mutually agreed to. A viable two-state solution must ensure contiguity of the West Bank, and a state of scattered territories will not work. There must also be meaningful linkages between the West Bank and Gaza. This is the position of the United States today, it will be the position of the United States at the time of final status negotiations.

The imminent Israeli disengagement from Gaza, parts of the West Bank, presents an opportunity to lay the groundwork for a return to the road map. All parties have a responsibility to make this hopeful moment in the region a new and peaceful beginning. That is why I assigned General Kip Ward, who is with us today, to support your efforts, Mr. President, to reform the Palestinian security services and to coordinate the efforts of the international community to make that crucial task a success. The United States also strongly supports the mission of the Quartet's special envoy, Jim Wolfensohn, to make sure that the Gaza disengagement brings Palestinians a better life.

To help ensure that the Gaza disengagement is a success, the United States will provide to the Palestinian Authority $50 million to be used for new housing and infrastructure projects in the Gaza. These funds will be used to improve the quality of life of the Palestinians living in Gaza, where poverty and unemployment are very high. I've also asked Secretary Rice to travel to Jerusalem and Ramallah before the beginning of the Israeli withdrawal. Secretary Rice will consult with Israelis and Palestinians on the disengagement, their shared commitments and the way back on the road map.

As we work to make the disengagement succeed, we must not lose sight of the path ahead. The United States remains committed to the road map as the only way to realize the vision of two democratic states living side-by-side in peace and security. It is through the road map that the parties can achieve a final permanent status agreement through direct negotiations. The people of the Middle East have endured a long period of challenge, and now, we have reached a moment of hope.

Leaders from around the world have made a moral commitment: We will not stand by as another generation in the Holy Land grows up in an atmosphere of violence and hopelessness. With concrete actions by the United States, the Palestinians, Israel, and other nations, we can transform this opportunity into real momentum.

Mr. President, we will work with you to help realize the dream of a free and democratic Palestine, to bring greater freedom, security and prosperity to all peoples in the region, and to achieve the lasting peace we all seek.

Welcome back to the White House.

PRESIDENT ABBAS: (As translated.) Thank you, very much, Mr. President. I'd like to thank you for this warm welcome and express my view in order to strengthen the relationship between Palestine and the United States. The Palestinian people share with the American people the same values of peace, freedom and democracy. We are confident that the two peoples will benefit from continuing and developing this relationship.

Today, we have conducted very intensive and constructive discussions with you, Mr. President, and with your senior administration officials. We discussed ways to support the opportunities to revive and resume the peace process in the Middle East. These discussions afford us with the opportunity to emphasize the central and essential role played by you, Mr. President, and by your administration, in supporting and advancing the peace process toward the realization of your vision of ending the Israeli occupation that started in 1967 and the establishment of a democratic, free and independent Palestine to live side-by-side with the state of Israel in order to create a better future for the peoples of the region. We have reiterated again to you, Mr. President, our strong commitment to the peace option, and through negotiations, we can achieve, the two sides can achieve their objectives.

We also discussed the efforts that have been undertaken by the Palestinian Authority throughout the past few months to bring about calm. These efforts have brought about the reduction of violence to the lowest level in four years, and once again reopened the window of hope for progress toward peace.

We emphasized our determination to maintain and preserve this calm. The Palestinian Authority exerts a great deal of efforts in reforming our security organizations, and the truth is, our efforts are fully supported by our own people who repeatedly reaffirmed their commitment to peace and negotiations.

In our talks we also discussed the ongoing democratic process in Palestine. This process has successfully presented, through the presidential elections and the local municipal elections, that the Palestinians have succeeded in carrying out transparent and fair elections under very difficult circumstances, another example of the capability of our people and their ability to build an independent democratic state once we achieve our freedom and our independence.

We expect that our people will be helped and supported to make their democratic experiment a successful one. We look forward to the free movement and the freedom of movement and the removal of Israeli roadblock and check points, and the Israeli withdrawal to positions prior to September 28th, 2000, and as well as implementing the various understanding that we have reached with the Israeli government in Sharm el-Sheikh. We stress that democracy cannot flourish under occupation and in the absence of freedom.

In this regard, we expressed our deep concern over the continuous Israeli settlement activities and the construction of the wall on our land, particularly in the area of Jerusalem. These settlement activities, in addition to undermining President Bush's vision in establishing a Palestinian and contiguous state, that it is a viable state that can live side-by-side by the state of Israel, it also contributes to the feeling of frustration and despair and the loss of hope. Stopping this is one of the requirements of the road map. Time is becoming our greatest enemy. We should end this conflict before it is too late.

We are extending our hands to the Israeli people in good intention. We are saying that peace and dialogue and the recognition of the other side's rights is what will create a good neighborhood and achieve security and prosperity for our people and the peoples of the region.

We have assured the President that the Palestinian Authority is ready to coordinate with the Israeli side in order to ensure the success of its withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank upon the Israeli evacuation. We see this evacuation as a part of ending the occupation, and it should not be at the expense of the West Bank. We must then immediately move to permanent status negotiations to deal with the issues of Al-Quds, East Jerusalem as a capital of the future state of Palestine, the issues of refugees, settlements, borders, security, and water, on the basis of President Bush's vision, and on the basis of U.N. resolutions, and the basis of the Arab Initiative.

It is time for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict to end, right now. It is time for our people, after many decades of suffering and dispossessions, to enjoy living in freedom and independence on their own land. And we should accelerate the freedom of our prisoners in order to be a part of peace-making.

Mr. President, we end our discussions in Washington and we are more determined to move forward in the path of freedom, reform, and democracy. We depart Washington, we are more confident about the role that you will play and the role that your administration will play in order to move the process forward and achieve lasting peace.

Mr. President, at the end I would like to thank you very much for your hospitality and expressing the American -- and demonstrating the American support to the Palestinian administration and the Palestinian people. We continue to look forward to work with you ahead in order to achieve our common objectives of peace, security and democracy and freedom. Thank you very much, Mr. President.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Good job, good job. Two questions a side, starting with Terry.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, you just spoke about the rejection of terror. Are you satisfied that President Abbas is moving aggressively enough, doing everything he can to shut down terror groups? And do you think that he should, for example, close Hamas or remove from positions of power associates of Yasser Arafat?

PRESIDENT BUSH: I believe that -- and I know the President is committed to democracy. After all, he ran on a platform that said, vote for me, I'm for peace, and I believe in democracy. That's what he told the Palestinian people when he ran. And he won with 62 percent of the vote, I think it was. So in other words, he's committed; that's what he said he was going to do and he's now fulfilling it.

Our position on Hamas is very clear, it's a well-known position and it hasn't changed about Hamas: Hamas is a terrorist group, it's on a terrorist list for a reason. As the elections go forward, of course, we want everybody to participate in the vote. There is something healthy about people campaigning, saying, this is what I'm for. The President ran on a peace platform; you know, maybe somebody will run on a war platform -- you know, vote for me, I promise violence. I don't think they're going to get elected, because I think Palestinian moms want their children to grow up in peace just like American moms want their children to grow up in peace. As a matter of fact, I think the people that campaign for peace will win.

The goal of a -- is, of course, a Palestinian state based upon rule of law, and you cannot have a democracy based upon rule of law if you have armed bands of people who will use their weapons to try to achieve a political outcome. We discussed this with the President. He can give you his own views. I will just tell you, he is -- he believes strongly in democracy and understands that aspect of democracy.

And so I'm -- I think there's something healing about asking people to vote. And hopefully, as more people participate and more people see progress on the ground, in terms of real tangible benefits when it comes to democracy -- like being able to make a living, or being able to send your child to a school that works, or being able to get good quality health care -- that more and more people will reject the notion that the only state based upon violence is a positive state.

Q President Abbas, regarding settlements and the erection of the wall, your positions before that you gave to your voters among the Palestinian public? And the question to President Bush, we heard your remarks. You talked about clear American position about the issue of settlements. But Israel continues to build settlements and continues to seize Palestinian territories. What is your position, Mr. President?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, I told you what my position was. And it's exactly what I said when I was in Crawford, by the way, when Prime Minister Sharon was there, as well. I mean, when you say you're going to accept the road map, you accept the road map. And part of the obligations of the road map is not the expansion of settlements. And we continue to remind our friends, the Israelis, about their obligations under the road map, just like we remind President Abbas about the obligations under the road map that the Palestinians have accepted. So nothing has changed.

Adam, yes.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Oh, I'm sorry. I beg your pardon.

PRESIDENT ABBAS: The first one.

PRESIDENT BUSH: I beg your -- sorry, yes. Just trying to cut you off. (Laughter.) It's an old Rose Garden trick.

PRESIDENT ABBAS: Regarding the issue of settlements and the wall, our position is very clear from the beginning. When we talk about two states, we are talking about a Palestinian state within the boundaries of 1967. That means that those boundaries, in our views, should go back to the Palestinian people. This is what the road map states, and this is what is in various U.N. Security Council resolutions.

Also President Bush talked about ending the occupation that started in 1967. In our views, the wall -- there is no justification for the wall, and it is illegitimate, as well as settlements, it is illegitimate and should not allow. We heard from the President that these activities should stop. I believe this is an important step in order to get to the permanent status negotiations. During the permanent status negotiations, we will put all these issues on the table. And we express our views that does not contradict international legitimacy.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Now Adam.

Q Mr. President, President Bush, the First Lady under the Egyptian pyramids this week enthusiastically endorsed Mubarak's first steps towards direct presidential elections. Two days later, Mubarak supporters attacked the opposition in the streets. Was it premature to back Mubarak? What's your message to Mubarak now?

PRESIDENT BUSH: I also embraced President Mubarak's first steps and said that those first steps must include people's ability to have access to TV, and candidates ought to be allowed to run freely in an election and that there ought to be international monitors. That's -- and the idea of people expressing themselves in opposition in government, then getting a beating, is not our view of how a democracy ought to work. It's not the way that you have free elections. People ought to be allowed to express themselves, and I'm hopeful that the President will have open elections that everybody can have trust in. Final question here. Oh, sorry. That's what happens when you don't get called on.

Q To President Bush, Mr. President, Israel insists on controlling the Gaza airspace, as well as the port, after its unilateral withdrawal. What practical steps are you prepared to take, sir, to deter Israel from doing so and ensuring that the Gaza disengagement remains an integral part of the road map?

And to President Abbas, in the article that was published in the Wall Street Journal today, you emphasized the link between democracy and freedom. Do you feel concerned that the new Palestinian democracy could go back under the occupation and under the lack of freedom? Thank you.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Actually, my answer kind of ties into the question you asked the President. You know, one of the things when you are in the position I'm in, I'm able to observe attitudes and opinions, and clearly there's a lot of mistrust, and you can understand why. There's been war, violence, bloodshed. The only way to achieve all the objectives is for there to be a democracy living side-by-side with a democracy. And the best way to see -- to solve problems that seem insoluble now is for there to be a society which evolves based upon democratic principles.

And so there's going to be a lot of issues that come up as this process evolves that are going to be difficult issues. But as -- as more people trust each other, then those issues become easier to solve. And so one of my cautions to both sides in this very important problem is to make sure that we stay focused on getting things right initially, and what needs to happen is that Palestinians, with the world's help, fill the void created by the withdraw from Gaza with a society which is hopeful. And that means people can find work, and people can send their kids to school, the health care system functions well.

I told the -- I told the President, there's a lot of international help that will be available, particularly as his government earns the trust of the donors. And the best way to earn the trust of the donors is to work to develop this -- to take advantage of this opportunity and develop a state. Israel has obligations to help. You noticed in my statement, I said, help improve the humanitarian situation on the ground. And America wants to help.

Now as a democracy evolves and people see that this is a government fully capable of sustaining democratic institutions and adhering to rule of law and transparency and puts strong anti-corruption devices in place, answers to the will of the people, that it becomes easier to deal with issues such as airspace. The West Bank will become an easier issue for everybody to meet obligations. We've got a fantastic opportunity now.

When I -- I told the President, there's no doubt in my mind we can succeed. President Abbas is a man of courage. Part of the success is going to require courageous decision by the President. And I take great faith in not only his personal character, but the fact that he campaigned on a platform of peace -- he said, vote for me, I am for peace. And the Palestinians voted overwhelmingly to support him.

And so there will be a series of issues that come up -- you know, how do we deal with this issue, or, how do you deal with that issue, all of which will become easier to deal with as the government succeeds in Gaza. And the United States stands with the government to help them succeed.

PRESIDENT ABBAS: Thank you. Regarding the democracy and freedom, I am saying that when we have chosen democracy as a way of life. This was not an adventure; this was a determination and a strategy that democracy is the only way to move forward and for life among different nations. But democracy is like a coin; it has two sides. On one side is democracy; on the other side of the coin is freedom.

It's true, now we lack freedom and we are in dire need to have freedom. We do not live in freedom in our homeland. This will weaken the hope to continue this democracy, and will weaken the democratic march. But we will not go back. Our strategy is clear and we are determined to achieve our freedom in order to complete and achieve both sides of the coin, and we can live a normal life.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abbas; abbasvisit; bush43; palestinians; transcript
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1 posted on 05/26/2005 1:51:42 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

A major victory for Abbas and a change in US policy as dramatic as the first term support for a Palestinian State, something that had never been supported before.

Any final status agreement must be reached between the two parties, and changes to the 1949 Armistice lines must be mutually agreed to.

If that’s American policy, then Jerusalem is an Arab city, and Israel must negotiate for it. Wonder who stuck that in GWB’s speech. Or if he’s telling the truth now, what did he mean in the past?

But something will happen when I'm president: as soon as I take office I will begin the process of moving the U.S. ambassador to the city Israel has chosen as its capital

Presidential candidate Bush
May 23, 2000
August 28, 2000

GOP Party Platform 2004

The Middle East and Persian Gulf

It is important for the United States to support and honor Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East. We will ensure that Israel maintains a qualitative edge in defensive technology over any potential adversaries. We will not pick sides in Israeli elections. The United States has a moral and legal obligation to maintain its Embassy and Ambassador in Jerusalem. Immediately upon taking office, the next Republican president will begin the process of moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Israel's capital, Jerusalem.

2 posted on 05/26/2005 1:54:39 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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It's also worth remembering that Israel accepted the road map conditionally. The US is as hesitant to talk about that as the palestinians are. IMO, the process isn't likely to get beyond number 1.

Israeli Cabinet Statement on Road Map and 14 Reservations

1. Both at the commencement of and during the process, and as a condition to its continuance. calm will be maintained. The Palestinians will dismantle the existing security organizations and implement security reforms during the course of which new organizations will be formed and act to combat terror, violence and incitement (incitement must cease immediately and the Palestinian Authority must educate for peace). These organizations will engage in genuine prevention of terror and violence through arrests, interrogations, prevention and the enforcement of the legal groundwork for investigations, prosecution and punishment. In the first phase of the plan and as a condition for progress to the second phase, the Palestinians will complete the dismantling of terrorist organizations (Hamas. Islamic Jihad. the Popular Front, the Democratic Front Al-Aqsa Brigades and other apparatuses) and their infrastructure, collection of all illegal weapons and their transfer to a third party for the sake of being removed from the area and destroyed., cessation of weapons smuggling and weapons production inside the Palestinian Authority, activation of the full prevention apparatus and cessation of incitement. There will be no progress to the second phase without the fulfillment of all above-mentioned conditions relating to the war against terror. The security plans to be implemented are the Tenet and Zinni plans. [As in the other mutual frameworks. the Roadmap will not state that Israel must cease violence and incitement against the Palestinians].

2. Full performance will be a condition for progress between phases and for progress within phases. The first condition for progress will be the complete cessation of terror, violence and incitement. Progress between phases will come only following the full implementation of the preceding phase. Attention will be paid not to timelines, but to performance benchmarks (timelines will serve only as reference points).

3 posted on 05/26/2005 2:00:15 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: SJackson

Did the Secret Service check him for a suicide belt?


4 posted on 05/26/2005 2:12:07 PM PDT by inkling
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To: SJackson

"The Palestinians will dismantle the existing security organizations and implement security reforms during the course of which new organizations will be formed and act to combat terror, violence and incitement (incitement must cease immediately and the Palestinian Authority must educate for peace). These organizations will engage in genuine prevention of terror and violence through arrests, interrogations, prevention and the enforcement of the legal groundwork for investigations, prosecution and punishment."

YEP...abu mazen isnt dismantling the gangs of wild asses of men and boys, he is incorporating them.

"cessation of weapons smuggling..." happening every day.

and so on and so on....

Bush will have regret these meetings after the PA dissolves into its component terrorist parts. These photos will be a part of history. His pictures with abu mazen and Clinton's with arafat will side by side in history books.


5 posted on 05/26/2005 2:18:31 PM PDT by APRPEH (genocide and protection of the establishment are core priorities of the UN)
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To: SJackson

The latest from Natan Sharansky's organization:

OneJerusalem.org

http://www.onejerusalem.org/blog/archives/2005/05/bushs_uturn.asp



Bush's U-Turn?

Posted by The Editors on May 26, 2005 at 4:00 PM

The headlines paint a disturbing picture. Does Bush really think Abbas, who invited Hammas into the political system without any disarmament conditions, deserves praise for his moves against terrorism?

Did Bush really believe Abbas' rhetoric about love for democracy?

Today, before the cameras, Bush looked like and sounded like Carter and Clinton - ignoring the failure of Abbas to take steps to curb terrorism or to guarantee basic human rights. Bush's lecturing of Israel with Abbas at his side sent a message to the enemies of Israel that a new page has been turned in Bush's relationship with the Jewish State. Who would have thought that the courageous President who has not hesitated to call a terrorist a terrorist would publicly demand that Israel weaken its defenses?

It really sounds like the State Department is finally in control of making Israel-Palestinian policy.

If Bush was so brazenly hostile at the White House look out for the turbulence Sharon is going top get from Condi when she goes off to Jerusalem.

Friends of Israel and friends of Jerusalem it is time to speak up on Israel's behalf. Demand that the President continue to stand by the democracy (Israel) and not the Abbas/Hamas dictatorship.

Moreover, I don't think Abbas has earned $50 million of U.S. tax dollars.


6 posted on 05/26/2005 2:21:46 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: APRPEH
Bush will have regret these meetings after the PA dissolves into its component terrorist parts. These photos will be a part of history. His pictures with abu mazen and Clinton's with arafat will side by side in history books.

Yes. This is a grievous error on Bush's part. The worst of his presidency foreign policy-wise, IMO. By far.

7 posted on 05/26/2005 2:23:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SJackson

Mr. Abbas has one chance to help the Palestinian people.
End the wanton violence now.
Not tomorrow or the day after, NOW.
If a Jewish settlement is harmed or a homicide murderer or a car bomb goes off the deal is ended.
Take the weapons from your murderous types. Act Civilized, and treat your neighbor Israel with respect and maybe yu'll get some. If not you and your people will be and should be destroyed.
Good Luck. The most dificult part is having to deal with your own people.


8 posted on 05/26/2005 2:24:10 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Joe Boucher

They won't, Joe.

Their whole culture has been steeped in the most vile racist propaganda for over fifty years.

They have a death wish.


9 posted on 05/26/2005 2:26:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: inkling

"Did the Secret Service check him for a suicide belt?"

As hard as you try, you won't convince people he is Yasser Arafat reincarnated. Abbas has no chance with conservatives, unless he announces he and all his people are moving to Tinbucktu.

I don't mean to be a smart alec, but I believe hardcore Jews and Christians mourn Arafat more than hardcore Muslims do. Now you don't have a face to put on evil.


10 posted on 05/26/2005 2:48:48 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: EternalVigilance

"Today, before the cameras, Bush looked like and sounded like Carter and Clinton"

It sure was a Clinton-ian move. Way to go Bush! I am in utter dis-f*cking belief. I thought I was pissed off about the nitwit seven, but this 50 mil to terrorists has really got me LIVID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I would have known then what I know now, I would have stayed home in November.

I wonder what's next from Bush...maybe he will endorse Hitlery in 08? Wouldnt surprise me, after the posturing he's done with the most degenerate first family in American history.

Pray to god we get a REAL conservative in 08, NO MORE PHONIES!!


11 posted on 05/26/2005 2:55:22 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Allen/DeLay '08!!)
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To: followerofchrist
I don't mean to be a smart alec, but I believe hardcore Jews and Christians mourn Arafat more than hardcore Muslims do. Now you don't have a face to put on evil.

I don't mean to be 'smart alec' either. I'm dead serious. Your post celebrates a prettier face on terror. Abbas was joined at the hip with Arafat for over fifty years. New boss, same as the old boss....in a three-piece suit instead of a scarf on the head.

12 posted on 05/26/2005 3:04:17 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: followerofchrist
Abbas has no chance with conservatives, unless he announces he and all his people are moving to Tinbucktu.

He has a chance with me, then I'm frequently accused of not being a "conservative"

Here's what he has to do, for a start

Cease incitement. It comes from state owned media and state paid Imans.

Dismanle the terrorist groups. If he needs help, the IDF is a phone call away, and the US will provide $.

He's agreed to do both these things. In two years, he's not only done nothing, but stated his refusal. It isn't a conservative/liberal thing at all, though to the extent it's a political issue, and it's not very important, the liberals could easily grab it.

13 posted on 05/26/2005 3:08:07 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Amen.


14 posted on 05/26/2005 3:08:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: EternalVigilance
Abbas was joined at the hip with Arafat for over fifty years. New boss, same as the old boss....

Next you'll be saying Al-Zarqawi is no different than bin Ladin. If we'd followed the "road map" in Afghanistan and Iraq, they'd both be on the ballot. Unfortunately we're committed here, we probably have to give him the benefit of the doubt, aka send money, but Mazen's failures shouldn't be whitewashed, and that's what's happening. Look for an "explanation" tomorrow if the "1949 borders" thing gains traction. I doubt GWB thought about the connotation, but there's a speechwriter somewhere who should be looking for a job in the media. Or with a Saudi lobbying firm.

15 posted on 05/26/2005 3:27:05 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: SJackson
there's a speechwriter somewhere who should be looking for a job...with a Saudi lobbying firm.

Maybe it was written by someone who already does.

16 posted on 05/26/2005 3:32:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("We, the people, are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts..." -Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SJackson

Why is the President making nicey-nice to the Holocaust-denying, Olympics-murdering puke?

Why the unilateral concessions from Israel and free ca$h for scumbuckets to siphon into their offshore bank accounts and get away with mouthing empty, worthless lies?

The Gang of Saud has the USA by the nuts.


17 posted on 05/26/2005 4:14:04 PM PDT by Alouette (The only thing learned from history is that nobody ever learns from history.)
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To: SJackson

zarqawi, of course is "palestinian", always labeled "jordanian" by the MSM. so yes, the natural connection between al qaida and the pa is obvious and why the so-called "palestinians" cheered so wildly on 9/11


18 posted on 05/26/2005 4:16:37 PM PDT by APRPEH (genocide and protection of the establishment are core priorities of the UN)
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To: Alouette
Why is the President making nicey-nice to the Holocaust-denying, Olympics-murdering puke?

Because that's the best face they have to offer.

19 posted on 05/26/2005 4:26:08 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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To: APRPEH
zarqawi, of course is "palestinian", always labeled "jordanian" by the MSM. so yes, the natural connection between al qaida and the pa is obvious and why the so-called "palestinians" cheered so wildly on 9/11

I was referring to the different approaches to the participation of terrorists in "democracy" we've taken in Iraq and Afghanistan. But you're absolutely right, he's Jordanian, more importantly Arab, as are virtually all of the foreign "militants" fighting in Iraq. Will the MSM ever report that? No.

20 posted on 05/26/2005 4:28:42 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Palestinian refugee)
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