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High Noon On The Border [CBS News reprints The Nation article from Marc Cooper]
The Nation, via CBS News ^ | 5/25/05 | Marc Cooper

Posted on 05/25/2005 3:58:46 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

It's April Fools' Day and Congressman Tom Tancredo... sparks a prolonged standing ovation from the hundred or so assembled volunteers of the Minuteman Project as they kick off their month-long campaign to close down the Arizona-Mexico border. His presence here, at what is most definitely a fringe political event involving armed citizen patrols, is validation -- at least in the minds of the project organizers -- that their seal-the-borders message is finally resonating in Washington. The avenging angel of America's anti-immigrant movement, Tancredo leads seventy mostly back-bench, restrictionist House members in the Immigration Reform Caucus...

...It shouldn't be surprising that George W. Bush, rather than liberal Democrats, should be the target of so much cranked-up ire from the nativist right...

...After a barrage of anti-immigration bills fired off earlier in this legislative season, Senators McCain and Kennedy introduced in mid-May their much-awaited immigration overhaul proposal -- the first step toward comprehensive and bipartisan reform...

...The GOP's share of the Arizona Latino vote climbed to an all-time high of more than 40 percent in last November's presidential election. Pissing off a few Minuteman types might be a small price to pay to have the President become the champion of historic immigration liberalization and the elected official most responsible for delivering the Latino vote to the GOP...

...The danger is that the longer meaningful federal action lags, the more the populist right, the Minuteman-style groups and the Congressional Tancredos will be energized into action. Anti-immigration drives are now under way in about a dozen states...

...While Arizona's Democratic attorney general interpreted the law in a vary narrow way, rendering its effects minimal, Arizona's anti-immigration crusaders are hardly deterred; they believe they are surfing the crest of a breaking national political wave...

...While Pearce sees "momentum, lots of momentum" for his immigrant-crackdown message, other evidence indicates the restrictionist cause isn't quite as compelling at the grassroots. In spite of extraordinary media hype, including millions of dollars in free publicity doled out on a daily basis on CNN as Lou Dobbs aggressively championed its cause, the Minuteman Project was an unmitigated flop...

[Read the full four pages at the link]


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; thenation
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To: Dane

Tom Tancredo in 2008.


61 posted on 05/25/2005 8:45:23 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Tom Tancredo in 2008

Tom Tancredo the backstabber in 2008 you mean. He and mccain could run on the same ticket. :^)

62 posted on 05/25/2005 8:48:43 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Not to be negative, but don't you think the military is overqualified for this? Especially since they can only used marginally so as to avoid posse comitatus?

The bill states that any assigned military must go thru a trainng course before they could be assigned. Why not just hire someone and train them? The employees would have to worry about posse comitatus.

63 posted on 05/25/2005 8:50:47 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Not to be negative, but don't you think the military is overqualified for this?

Are they overqualified to guard the borders in every other country in the world? It's a matter of national security, you might even find the military agrees they need to do this even if the globalist Senate doesn't.

64 posted on 05/25/2005 9:00:05 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

If thats what you want to do, have at it.


65 posted on 05/25/2005 9:03:56 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
If thats what you want to do, have at it.

If it were up to me I would. It's in the Senate's hands and people are watching.

66 posted on 05/25/2005 9:06:24 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Ben Ficklin
The H5B would be used to convert the qualified illegals into visa holders.

Great, another proposal to reward foreigners for violating our immigration laws.

67 posted on 05/25/2005 9:17:08 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: bayourod

AS long as our chief federal law enforcement officer willfully declines to enforce our immigration laws he has sworn to faithully execute, we will risk mass murder from terrorists who will have illegally crossed the border.

As long as we tolerate mass illegal immigration we will never secure jobs wrongfully taken by illegals from Americans eager to work.

As long as our immigration policy is hostage to misguided and selfishly motivated politics, industry after industry like Florida's construction industry, will be corrupted by employers forced by illegal immigrant competition to hire illegals.

As long as we tolerate tens of millions of illegals within our birthright, we will not be able to effectively conduct social policy.


68 posted on 05/25/2005 10:44:51 PM PDT by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Perhaps you can find an answer to your question in the bill.

Perhaps. But I know I won't find the answer to the illegal immigration problem in the bill.

69 posted on 05/26/2005 6:22:52 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Dane
I have no problem with any legislation that Virgil Goode proposes, he ain't the grandstander backstabber like Tom Tancredo is.

You really have to learn how to de-personalize these issues. The correct & moral course is still correct & moral regardless of who supports it.

70 posted on 05/26/2005 6:54:54 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: Dane

nice job on carrying the scum water for the socialist MSM there. amazing how they can twist Tancredo's real words: "If he chose to resign as majority leader until these matters are resolved, that's probably not the worst idea." to: "DeLay should not stay in office".

let me be clear - i don't agree with Tancredo's comment on DeLay and wish like heck he had never said that at all. but notice his comments that he believed these were all "trumped up charges" against DeLay are overlooked by the media and their scum carriers.

this is so far from being on par with McVain that it's laughable. unless of course you want to believe the routers version..

a whole lot of nothing. but then that never stops the conservative bashing MSM from their hate frenzies.


71 posted on 05/26/2005 11:33:01 AM PDT by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: Ben Ficklin

You state that as if they wont be eligible for Green Cards. They will be just like in the McKennedy bill only it will be by a separate mechanism.


72 posted on 05/26/2005 2:13:57 PM PDT by mthom
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To: nathanbedford
"...jobs wrongfully taken by illegals from Americans... "

I've worked for over a dozen employers and have employed hundreds of employees.

Any one who believes that he "owns" his job, won't last long in the private nonunion sector. If a person shows up for work everyday and has a good attitude, he won't have to worry about anyone "wrongfully taking" hid job.

73 posted on 05/26/2005 5:43:22 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
If a person shows up for work everyday and has a good attitude, he won't have to worry about anyone "wrongfully taking" hid job.

Really?

And you can ensure that his sunny disposition and "good attitude" will prevent his employer from replacing him with someone for whom no witholding is paid? And you can ensure that the employer will not lose business to competitors hiring cheaper, tax free illegals?

Remarkable.

Sign us all up for work there, I have a nice smile.

74 posted on 05/26/2005 7:52:05 PM PDT by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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To: nathanbedford

Any experienced employer will confirm what I am saying.
Training, skills, experience and education are important, but dependability and a good attitiude are far more important.


75 posted on 05/26/2005 9:02:15 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
Bayourod,

We have disagreed for some time now on whether immigration policy and immigration enforcement policy are good for America.
We have no disagreement on the good effects of diligence and attitude.

I understand that Gingrich has come very close to harshly criticizing the administration for it fecklessness on our souther border. I think Newt is so distressed with Bush that he is willing to make common cause with Hillary on this issue. This is either a symptom of Newt's treachery or an indication of his concern that our open border leaves us vulnerable to atomic terrorist attack driven here from Mexico, as has been warned about by the CIA director recently. It is appalling that either ideology or fear of accusations of racism have brought us tho the point where our immigration enforcement policy has opened a threat of mass murder in America.
76 posted on 05/26/2005 10:04:14 PM PDT by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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To: nathanbedford
When you hear someone mention the danger of a nuclear weapon being driven across the border what does your mind envision? A Hummer traversing an isolated part of the desert at night or an eighteen wheeler crossing the international bridge at El Paso?

An atomic weapon would weigh several tons and would be extremely difficult to smuggle from Syria or Estonia to El Paso.

Our government has concentrated on stopping the smuggling of a nuclear bomb at its source, at ports in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East; at ports in South and Central America; at the Southern border of Mexico and finally at our own border. We even board ships headed toward Mexican ports.

At most official crossing points we have installed x-ray equipment and equipment that can detect nuclear particles. To protect our border between official crossing points we have areal surveillance (manned, unmanned and satellite) and ground sensors.

But most of the people complaining about nukes crossing the Mexican border really aren't concerned about nukes, they really just want to keep Mexican laborers from crossing. But the way you prevent nukes from reaching the U.S. is different than the way you stop Mexican laborers.

The fact that millions of Mexican laborers can climb over mountains, swim rivers, and trek across desserts does not mean that an eighteen wheeler can get across unnoticed.

The biggest threat of a nuclear weapon crossing the southern border is corrupt border guards. I've heard that corruption is very common regarding drug smuggling and human smuggling, but I would hope no set of guards would conspire to allow a nuke to pass through.

77 posted on 05/27/2005 8:18:29 AM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod
You are correct the greatest threat is from corrupt border guards. As I posted many months ago when a poster suggested that a scenario involving the transport of a nuke across the Mexican border, I created in minutes a scenario involving corrupt guards passing what they thought was drugs.

In any event, the device (or devices, given these terrorists' penchant for multiple strikes) need not cross over whole but rather in manageable pieces to be assembled here. According to Newt Gingrich, the director of the CIA takes this threat as gravely serious. One can only speculate on the fall out (poor pun intended) against this administration if, after tens of thousands died in an atomic blast, it was revealed that the administration ignored warnings from its own intelligence chief for partisan political gain.

It is necessary to stop the weapons at foreign ports before they get here because that would be too late if, for example, one detonated in the port of New York. This is all as you have pointed out. But the difficulty is in the number of ports, the millions of containers, and the expense and paucity of the detection equipment. Then one must contend with the possibility of a transfer at sea after the inspection.
Finally, every impediment to the proper defense of our border advanced by you would have absolutely nothing to do with the transport of biological weapons of mass destruction contained in a mason jar, hidden under a serape.

Do all these difficulties mean that we should throw up our hands and give up the daunting effort of stopping ships with nukes at their ports of debarkation? Of course not. Nor should we ignore the threat to our southern border by unrestrained, illegal migration. The question is not whether it is hard but whether our national survival depends upon it. Our national survival as a functioning democracy with a sustaining economy is certainly at stake in the wake of an atomic or biological strike, depend upon it.
78 posted on 05/27/2005 10:17:26 AM PDT by nathanbedford (The UN was bribed and Good Men Died)
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To: bayourod

Bayoufraud is back.


79 posted on 05/27/2005 10:42:52 AM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: Jim Robinson

Why do you let this clown stink up your forum?


80 posted on 05/27/2005 10:44:45 AM PDT by primeval patriot
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