Whatever, Abu. Bring it.
Whatever, Abu. Bring it.
The author misunderstands the situation.
Wahhabism and the Islam practiced by the Shiite Ayatollahs of Iran are very similar. All they are is an attempt to follow Islam as Muhammad practiced it.
Trying to say Wahhabism is an aberration is just wrong. It is simply Islam as Muhammad practiced it.
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The one consolation I have about or illegal immigration situation is that at least our immigrants are, for the most part, Christians from Mexico. This was written at a Houston mosque- can you imagine the chaos we would have if there were Muslim countries in Latin America?
Poor Europe gets most of its cheap labor for Muslim countries, and they are having serious problems. Some folks are emigrating from Holland because of the Muslims.
Our situation could be worse ...
Which is traditional Mohammedan teaching and practice. The Mohammedans didn't conquer two-thirds of the Christian world by force of argument.
Well, that's a relief. There for a moment I thought they did things like fly hijacked airliners into buildings, but Hamid here set me straight. What was I thinking?
The difference is that Americans would actively oppose the KKK rather than sit around discussing whether or not they represent true Christianity.
Yeppers...those dang crusaders stole Europe right from under the poor muzzies...and then chased them all the way back to their desert kingdoms attenuating them sufficiently that we havent seen their murders, rapes,and evangelicalism by terror in the west till recently..
interesting, yes Ibn Tamiyaa was Wahhab's inspiration, he was a 12th century Islamic scholar who was apparently ridiculed at the time for his viewpoints, Ibn Tamiyaa is indeed the fav scholar for both Osama Bin Laden and more importantly Sheikh Azzam, because Azzam's theory of global jihad shaped Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri's philosophy, in fact Ayman was a student of Sheikh Azzam - anyone want interesting reading, if you can find the English translation of Azzam's writings, it explains everything.....
there are two obligations of jihad, one is compulsory, one is only if other Muslims call for your help, and in either case it is the duty of every man woman and child and Azzam goes so far as to say any woman or child does not need the permission of the husband or parent to go fight jihad if it is a compulsory duty
he says in one essay, if all Muslims had been true to their faith and every man, woman and child had descended on Israel in 1948, there would be no Israel, ironically however Azzam is the one who appointed Afghanistan as the compulsory jihad because he said it was clear that between Israel and Afghanistan the need was greater and the possibility for victory was greater in Afghanistan, in other words Azzam recognized that Israel is a formidable foe
now the thing is the reason Wahhabism took off was the alliance between the House of Saud and Abu Wahhab and his followers
and frankly I've read a more cynical version of why Wahhabism took off
essentially it was this - the House of Saud wanted to conquer Arabia, Islamic rules of warfare state you cannot attack other Muslims unless they attack you first or they are apostates, in other words bad Muslims, this posed a religious problem for the politically and greed motivated House of Saud
my understanding was that Wahhabi declared that all unbelievers were attackable/killable and that Muslims who were not good enough were therefore infidels and therefore attackable
the House of Saud saw a way around their problem (and in fact were not a religious lot even back then by any means) but made an alliance with Wahhab in order that they could conquer Arabia in return for allowing Wahhab's version of Islam to be the religion of the land
this allowed the House of Saud not only to challenge Shia Muslims but other Sunni Muslims - for example the Hashemites, a Sunni tribe, was pushed out of the area, right on up to Jordan, as a matter of fact, I suspect any Jews still living in Arabia at that time were also driven out, because that is also part of the Wahhabi credo that the Arab penisula be free of all infidels, Jews and Christians, even though they are people of the book, I need to read up on how Wahhab deals with the contradictions in the Koran about the people of the book.......
whether Wahhab got this from Tamiyaa or came out with it himself, he was certainly known for not being at all flexible, and he was known for being petty and fanatic that every rule and sub rule of the Koran and hadith be followed to the letter and it was he that introduced harsher and harsher penalties for failure to comply....
of course it took about 150 years for the Saud Wahhab alliance to triumph, in 1931, with the help of the British I might add
it is interesting some Sunnis think the Wahhabis are Shaytan or devils -hundreds of thousands of Sunnis let alone Shias were killed in the battle to control Arabia
I've also read a Sunni website that claims the Wahhabis were a British Zionist conspiracy to destroy Islam, just as Shiites are a Zionist conspiracy to destroy Islam, LOL
but the hatred is quite palpable between some Sunnis and Wahhabis, let alone Wahhabis and Shias......
the Ku Klux Klan analogy is apt, I recall in the early days after 9-11 when I knew little about Islam let alone Wahhabism, I found an article by a Muslim entitled, Wahhabis, the Ku Klux Klan of Islam, and that solidified the notion of what the Wahhabis are - the problem is of course that the Saudi took their petrodollars and have been systematically trying to infect all of Islam with Wahhabism,
including North American mosques.....
I also noted that since it was asserted that the Wahhabis think they are the chosen people of Allah, that arguable the Wahhabis are the Jehovah Witnesses of Islam as well
"Wahhabism’s anti-Western message really began to take shape during the 1940s, he says, when American forces were first stationed on the Arabian Peninsula, which by that time was controlled by the Saudi family with Wahhabism adopted as the state religion."
The Wahhabists were in power long before the U.S. got involved with the oil deposits in Arabia.
And the Saud family was helped in its conquest of the Arabian Penninsula by Wahhabist fanatics. They are wedded together in a death embrace.
And long before Wahhabism targeted non-Muslims, its lunatic fanaticism surfaced. Thousands and thousands of non-Wahhabi Muslims, including non-Wahhabi Sunnis, Shhites and Sufis were massacred when the Wahhabists and their Saudi strongmen allies took over Arabia, and the Islamic holy sites there.
Wahhabism is totally evil, totally intolerant, totally inhuman, totally anti-female, and has been so since its inception by the lunatic mentioned in this article.
Nor was Wahhabism the ONLY radical movement of this type to rise in Islam. This phenomenon has a peridocity in Islam. One need only look to the Al Moravids in Spain and north Africa in the Middle Ages.
Put your mind at ease, Algar. I believe I speak for many in FR when I say that we don't label "hostile" Muslims as Wahhabi Muslims -- we just call 'em Muslims.