Then somebody is going to be held accountable for dividing the land. What was Laura Bush doing up on Mount Nebo... surveying the land? It should have been Sharon up there, taking a memory refresher tour.
Posted on 05/23/2005 9:53:18 PM PDT by Nachum
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told American Jewish leaders that Maaleh Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel will stay in the hands of Israel forever but the rest of Yesha is negotiable.
After guards evicted hecklers who interrupted his speech to 1,500 fund-raisers, Sharon said that the status of other areas of Judea and Samaria are subject to the "final phase of the permanent agreement negotiations and talks."
Most media reports on his speech ignored Sharon's implication that leaves in doubt the future of communities of about 1,000 families, such as Beit El, Ginot Shomron, and Kedumim. Sharon added that disarming terrorists is a condition for the talks on a land-for-peace accord."
"It should be completely quiet [with] an end of terror, dismantling of terrorist organizations, collecting their weapons, stopping the smuggling…that will enable us to enter the road map," the Prime Minister stated.
Sharon won strong backing from American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who spoke Monday to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which Sharon is to address Tuesday.
She criticized Palestinian Authority (PA) chairman Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) for not destroying the terrorist infrastructure. Abu Mazen, successor to Yasser Arafat, is to meet with President George W. Bush on Thursday.
Rice also insisted that the PA accept western democracy, "a goal that is unassailable and incontrovertible." The PA has promised to stage democratic legislative elections July 17, but its election committee announced Monday that they must be postponed because it cannot complete administrative work in time. Hamas terrorists have charged that PA officials are afraid to hold elections as planned because of the growing strength of Hamas.
Rice has stated she welcomes Hamas' accepting the idea of democratic elections because they will encourage the terrorist organization to use politics and not violence for its objectives. Both Hamas and Abu Mazen's Fatah party have a common goal of making Jerusalem the capital of a new Arab state along with an Israeli withdrawal from all of Yesha, including the three areas which Sharon said he will not surrender.
In his books he predicts:
1) Negotiations with the Arabs will necessitate land concessions
2)The conservatives of Israel will give the land away (Likud)
3) Jerusalem will eventually be negotiated and split
4) A greater war will come from these concessions
More than likely Sharon will end up also giving up the areas he says are off limits. Why would anyone believe otherwise? He once said he would never give up Gaza.
Kahane was right. ....as usual.
Its times like this that make me believe that space aliens have replaced all "conservative" politicians throughout the world. Its the only logical explanation for the stupidity.
Sharon is a realist. Gaza is not defensible at the present time. It will become an Egyptian problem. The Palestinians of the West Bank cannot govern themselves and will soon find it impossible to feed themselves. The whole place will collapse into anarchy. Israel will look for chances to take advantage of the situation...perhaps they'll finally be able to implement transfer (expulsion), something that should have been done in '67.
Bring it on, then. The only way the Arabs will be finally dealt with is by beating them into submission.
Then somebody is going to be held accountable for dividing the land. What was Laura Bush doing up on Mount Nebo... surveying the land? It should have been Sharon up there, taking a memory refresher tour.
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told American Jewish leaders that Maaleh Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel will stay in the hands of Israel forever but the rest of Yesha is negotiable.
It's not negotiable any more, the palestinians know they have it. Presuming they can complete "negotiations" before the next election, of course.
Joel 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I [am] strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
Joe 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness [is] great.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD [will be] the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Joe 3:17 So shall ye know that I [am] the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
Joe 3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.
Joe 3:19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence [against] the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
Joe 3:20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.
Joe 3:21 For I will cleanse their blood [that] I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.
Oh, so you're the smart one? The ONLY smart one?
Has it occured to you that expulsion (transfer) is seriously opposed by the Bush administration (to say nothing of the rest of the world) and that Sharon might - correctly - feel that making an enemy of the U.S. is not in the best interests of his country?
No. Probably it hasn't.
Characterizing them in this way tells me that you're a complete ignoramus, a moron, a self-righteous fool. Try reading Zhabotinsky instead of comic books and propaganda.
The mods deleted all his posts from the server when they ZOTTED him.
Nonetheless, among the founders his vision was the clearest.
In war timing is all important...and noone wins every battle. Sometimes you must retreat and fight again in more favorable circumstances. Sharon has proved himself over half a century as a great warrior and great leader in both war and peace. I trust his judgement. I wouldn't trust you to help me cross the street.
Yes, expulsion of Arabs is opposed but expulsion of Jews is supported. And because Pres. Bush and the rest of the world feel this way than it must be correct?
This is a complete misstatement of the President's position. But - in case you hadn't noticed - Bush is an American, not an Israeli, President. It's his job to promote American interests. The strategy he's decided upon is to take on Muslim countries one at a time, not all at once. Sharon has to adjust his strategy to ours because of the huge difference in strengths.
WHERE DO THE ARABS COME FROM THAT SIT ON JEWISH LAND?
For an answer to this read Jabotinsky. He understood, better than most and certainly better than you'll ever do, that homelands are obtained by conquest and held by force. European Jews, mostly eastern european, decided to take Palestine from the Muslims who had held it for more than a thousand years. They, in turn, had taken it by force from others, who had done the same for as far back as we can trace it.
It is an accurate measure of SOME facts...but a complete distortion of events since it lacks context. The Jews moved in after '67. They couldn't hold their conquests...or so it seems at present.
So you are still in favor of Arab expulsion,not just right now?
Yes. The two peoples cannot coexist in the same land. Zhabotinsky was wrong about that...although I suspect he said what he said for political reasons, not because he believed it.
Are you dreaming of the Canannites? WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
They're around. So are the Romans. The questions are irrelevant.
RAPED IT AND DID NOTHING WITH IT ON AND OFF for more than a thousand years."
That's your view and it's also mostly irrelevant. As a justification for conquest it stinks.
Go trust the arabs,I am sure they will be grateful for your support.
You think far too highly of yourself if you think those are the only choices available to a reasonable man. In fact, "think" is inappropriate when referring to your arguments.
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