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Here's the Deal (Senate GOP "Deal ensures votes on seven of eight nominations")
american spectator ^ | 5/24/2005 | The Prowler

Posted on 05/23/2005 9:19:07 PM PDT by watsonfellow

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To: watsonfellow
So long as those 12 stay together, they can force the agenda on anything- they would control the board. If they vote in a block, they deny the GOP the majority, and deny the DEMS the filibuster.

The only question is how united they remain. In that sense, that coalition is a hazard, and the GOP leadership should do everything in its power to pulverize it- before NcCAin, Graham and Warner get too "high" on their own power. The GOP cannot allow itself to be controled by a small minority of its own.
21 posted on 05/23/2005 9:35:19 PM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: Zivasmate
Does anyone think the "exceptional circumstances" clause will not be abused again and again by the Demorats?

The only upside I can see to that provision is that it actually gives the nervous RINOs a chance to "change their minds" and vote "nuclear" if indeed the rats abuse the "exceptional circumstances" excuse for denying a nominee an up/down vote.

22 posted on 05/23/2005 9:35:22 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: watsonfellow
The parameters of the deal insure that six of eight obstructed Bush nominees to the federal judiciary will receive an up or down confirmation vote in the Senate.

Hmm, the Dims appear to have a different take.

23 posted on 05/23/2005 9:35:34 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: RandyRep

What scum sucking bottom feeding lowlife politcians don't understand is that they have a duty to perform

damned if this doesn't remind me of a scene in Braveheart when Wallace asks them if they might not at least like to Negotiate themselves a better deal (before they sold out)


24 posted on 05/23/2005 9:36:10 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: watsonfellow
also, three other Bush nominees will eventually receive an up or down confirmation vote as well

This is not what the agreement says, nor does it say Saad and Myers will be filibustered (just says they might be).

25 posted on 05/23/2005 9:37:40 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: watsonfellow

Here's my PROTEST, the Reps will NEVER again get DIRECTLY another PENNY FROM ME!

P*zzy arse Rep can KISS my sweet hetero Arse from this day on forward!

David L. Miller

APEX NC!


26 posted on 05/23/2005 9:37:40 PM PDT by funkywbr
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To: watsonfellow
Trusting a Democrat is like trusting a jihadist.

As soon as you turn your back they will plunge a dagger in and saw off a head.

Compromise with evil and you loose every time.
27 posted on 05/23/2005 9:37:50 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: watsonfellow
no one anticipates that such a situation [extraordinary circumstances] will arise, assuming Democrats keep their promise.

ROTFALOL

28 posted on 05/23/2005 9:38:46 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Lancey Howard
The only upside I can see to that provision is that it actually gives the nervous RINOs a chance to "change their minds" and vote "nuclear" if indeed the rats abuse the "exceptional circumstances" excuse for denying a nominee an up/down vote.

The only mind-changing I see RINOs doing is deciding to vote against President Bush's nominees on the Senate floor once Larry Flynt dumps his latest load of sewage on the nominees' heads.

29 posted on 05/23/2005 9:39:19 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Lancey Howard

Why were they so afraid to vote for the "nuclear option" in the first place? Without partaking in this silly compromise.

You can bet the mortgage the Demorats will use the "exceptional circumstances" clause until the cows come home. They will invoke it for every nominee for the Supreme Court who is conservative. They will claim "he or she is out of the "mainstream".


30 posted on 05/23/2005 9:40:42 PM PDT by Zivasmate
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To: watsonfellow
Thank goodness! We have a deal:


31 posted on 05/23/2005 9:40:56 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: umgud

Once again, the Pubbies blinked, and McCain has gotten at least partial revenge against George W. for his 2000 primary defeat. We're told the Dems have preserved their "right to filibuster" Bush's judiciary nominees, as though such a "right" actually existed. The result: NO Bush Supreme Court nomination will be endorsed by the Senate.


32 posted on 05/23/2005 9:41:13 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: atomicweeder

PEACE IN OUR TIME!


33 posted on 05/23/2005 9:41:19 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Nothing in this RINO deal guarantees Brown, Owen and Pryor will be CONFIRMED!)
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To: sefarkas

Another GOP victory can't keep you from whining.


34 posted on 05/23/2005 9:41:26 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: watsonfellow
I think this deal is better than we initially thought.

The point is that there DID NOT NEED TO BE A DEAL AT ALL!!
55 - 44 - 1.

35 posted on 05/23/2005 9:41:32 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: sirthomasthemore
You said..."So long as those 12 stay together, they can force the agenda on anything they would control the board. If they vote in a block, they deny the GOP the majority, and deny the DEMS the filibuster."

BINGO...excellent point. You're unique in recognizing the danger in having a so called 'moderate' block be the apparent power brokers in the Senate.

What does this deal portend for a future conservative agenda?
36 posted on 05/23/2005 9:42:14 PM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: watsonfellow
The problem with the 'pubbies'... it's simple: THEY'RE NOT STREET FIGHTERS (like the Dems).

Until the republicans are willing to go to the mat for principle (other than getting re-elected) then they can be rolled.

The irony of it is, they think that they're caving in is for the principle of getting em re-elected when all the while, it's probably the icing on the cake that will guarantee that they won't get re-elcted (e.g. Spectre, Graham, DeWine).

If only we could be as tough as the dems... sigh

37 posted on 05/23/2005 9:43:42 PM PDT by blue jeans
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To: funkywbr

I think some of the comments here are worth reading.

But, let's put things in perspective.

I will bet anyone here a steak dinner (in Singapore! You have to provide your own transportation) that all the nominations, save Saad's, are approved by the Senate before the end of the summer.

I will further bet that we will see no filibuster on any other Bush judicial nomination, including for the Supreme Court.

What happened to Saad is horrible.......but there are other conservatives to nominate.

If you don't feel like giving to the NRSC and the RNC, that's your decision.

But I implore you to send money to deserving conservatives like Mark Kennedy in Minnesota, Hoeven in North Dakota, Steele in Maryland, and other individual candidates.

Our work has not been in vain. If we had not gained four seats in the Senate in 2004, we would not be days away from having Owens, Brown, and Pryor confirmed.

Let's keep up the fight. Remember what happened in 2000 when many conservatives stayed home? The Dems won four seats in the Senate and Bush almost lost.

Let's not repeat that in 2006.

We have a good chance to pick up five seats in 2006.

We are competitive in the following Dem seats,

Washington
Nebraska
North Dakota
Minnesota
Michigan
Wisconsin
Florida
Maryland
West Virginia
New Jersey
and suprisingly Vermont.


Victory will not happen overnight, and overturning a generation of judicial arrogance will not go away instantly.

Do not give up the fight.

Do not abandon politics or the GOP.


38 posted on 05/23/2005 9:44:01 PM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow

Sounds like a Republican behind scenes is trying to stem the fury building at this loss and unacceptable betrayal. We asked for an up or down vote on all nominees, was that too much to ask? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!

The RINO's can go to hell and forget spinning this as a conscientious victorious stand for principle! These people can forget trying to lie to us and suggest this was a victory. We HAD a victory and the RINO's gave it away. We spent years setting the stage for victory and the RINO's BETRAYED us to save the Democrats and assert a power coup for themselves.

Well, tell this anonymous source we are FURIOUS and will remain so. People will pay.


39 posted on 05/23/2005 9:44:49 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: watsonfellow
"Let's hold our fire here and not act like crazy liberals. I think this deal is better than we initially thought"

It seems that the Dem's Jedi mind trick has worked on you too.

40 posted on 05/23/2005 9:47:55 PM PDT by Natural Law
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