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Tillman’s Parents Lash Out at Army (A Tragedy On So Many Levels)
Washington Post.com ^ | 05/23/2005 | Josh White

Posted on 05/22/2005 9:32:05 PM PDT by drt1

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To: BikerNYC
"It is unknown at this time whether Cpl. Tillman was killed by hostile or friendly fire."

What??? You're kidding, right? That is, quite possibly, the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

181 posted on 05/23/2005 12:14:34 PM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AD fan club: "ROFL!" -- Dan from Michigan; "Very well stated, AD." -- Diana in Wisconsin)
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To: Darksheare
As I suspected, the troll has been purged by the time I was able to sign on here at school today.

Still troll huntin is always good sport, they are always in season and there's no bag limit.

Gotta watch out though. If ya hang out in the vicinity of a StarBucks or a granola grocery store, ya might get busted for hunted on a baited field!

182 posted on 05/23/2005 12:21:42 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: MurryMom

Shouldn't you be somewhere stirring a huge boiling kettle and scaring small children?


183 posted on 05/23/2005 12:26:36 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Wedgies and beatdowns to all who oppose my lawn gnome!" -Crazy despotic lawn gnome collector.)
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To: BikerNYC

It says his unit came under hostile fire. Not that he was killed by enemy fire. There's a difference.


184 posted on 05/23/2005 12:26:44 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("We'd rather have you dead than incapable" - The Church of Scientology)
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To: ExSoldier

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1408480/reply?c=39

Just replace the last two numbers with the numbers from the removed posst, and you can view the posts if they haven't been completely wiped yet.

Baited field.. Hmm..
Sorely tempting.
Burn a fistful of patchouli, leave a bunch of mopchajavas open, and have WiFi access, and the trolls would FLOCK to the spot.
Once flushed into the open like that, you could pick them off with impunity as long as the game warden doesn't wander by.
Heck, you could even, if one is truly demented, cammy up as one of them and pick them off from inside the flock.
Not sure they'd notice!


185 posted on 05/23/2005 12:29:57 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Wedgies and beatdowns to all who oppose my lawn gnome!" -Crazy despotic lawn gnome collector.)
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To: MurryMom

Kerry lied, disgraced the uniform and others so that he could build himself notoriety.
He said to Russert that he would file the standard form 180 and release his TOTAL records.
He has yet to do so, as that would show just how much he's lied about and that the swiftvets were correct.

Clinton lied, he insisted that terrorism was no real threat, said it in his non-actions.
He got Sailors killed on the U.S.S. Cole, Soldiers killed in Mogadishu, and the WTC bombed in 1993.
He flew a few planes and dropped a few bombs to get attation off himself.
And don't forget the Yugoslavian CIVILIANS whose blood Clinton has on his hands.
That quaint little war he waged to assist the Islamic terrorists known as the KLA against the 'evil' Serbs killed quite a few civilians.
If you want to talk about lies and people dying, you have to look at your boys first.

But, one never expects honesty from Murrymom.


186 posted on 05/23/2005 12:52:18 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Wedgies and beatdowns to all who oppose my lawn gnome!" -Crazy despotic lawn gnome collector.)
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To: AmishDude
Yes, it's much better to lead the family to believe that he was killed by hostile fire, when you really don't know at all whether or not that is true.

Here's a completely honest thing to do: If you don't know, say so.
187 posted on 05/23/2005 12:55:04 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC

You could say that about every soldier. How pedantic and insipid to say: "Soldier X was killed in combat today, but we don't know yet whether he was shot by the enemy or one of his own or maybe his own gun misfired or maybe he had a heart attack or maybe he stepped on a rusty nail or maybe he spontaneously combusted or maybe he was just killed because he posted something incredibly stupid on FR and was executed for being too stupid to live.


188 posted on 05/23/2005 1:00:49 PM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AD fan club: "ROFL!" -- Dan from Michigan; "Very well stated, AD." -- Diana in Wisconsin)
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To: paul51
I wouldn't buy some jackass attorney's spin on things.

Yeah, what would some jackass attorney know about his own flesh and blood?

189 posted on 05/23/2005 1:37:18 PM PDT by aQ_code_initiate
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To: Steve_Seattle
Does his death by friendly fire somehow diminish his courage and dedication?

Being blown away by his own side doesn't affect his character at all. But the Army's lying about the circumstances of his death for PR purposes speaks volumes for the lapse of honor and integrity on the part of the Army. It also cheapens the value of the combat decoration the Army bestowed, because it was awarded to create a false impression rather than to honor a specific act of heroism.

190 posted on 05/23/2005 1:46:02 PM PDT by aQ_code_initiate
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To: AmishDude
Your right. Better to mislead the family by saying he was killed when his unit was being hit by hostile fire.

Here's a portion of another official press release:

RELEASE NUMBER: 040430-01
DATE POSTED: APRIL 30, 2004

Army awards Silver Star to fallen Ranger

U.S. Army Special Operations Command Public Affairs Office

FORT BRAGG, N.C. (USASOC News Service, April 30, 2004) — An Army Ranger killed April 22 during combat in Afghanistan has been posthumously awarded the Silver Star, officials at the U.S. Army Special Operations Command here announced today.

Cpl. Patrick D. Tillman, an infantryman assigned to Company A, 2nd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment at Fort Lewis, Wash., was awarded the medal for his selfless actions after his Ranger element was ambushed by anti-coalition insurgents during a ground assault convoy through southeastern Afghanistan.

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I'm sure there are some who, like Bill Clinton, will be hyper legalistic and attempt to define their way out of this press release. The fact remains that the statement was issued with the intention to make people believe that the government knew what the cause of Cpl. Tillman's death was and that it was the result of an "ambush by anti-coaltion insurgents," when in fact the government either knew this was not the case or did not have sufficient information to make such a conclusion.
191 posted on 05/23/2005 1:52:01 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: aQ_code_initiate

given my initial post, that comment was called for. I hope you keep reading.


192 posted on 05/23/2005 2:00:02 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: BikerNYC

What are you talking about? That's exactly what happened. They were attacked and bullets flew. Of course, maybe he died of an infected hangnail or a popped pimple or jock itch or nail fungus or...


193 posted on 05/23/2005 2:03:01 PM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AD fan club: "ROFL!" -- Dan from Michigan; "Very well stated, AD." -- Diana in Wisconsin)
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To: AmishDude
And you're telling me, Mr. Clinton, that you don't think the intent of that press release was to convey the message that Cpl. Tillman was killed by the insurgents at the ambush?

Any other interpretation is hopelessly naive.
194 posted on 05/23/2005 2:22:36 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: AmishDude

Like beating your head against a brick wall, ain't it?


195 posted on 05/23/2005 2:26:38 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("We'd rather have you dead than incapable" - The Church of Scientology)
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To: BikerNYC
Any other interpretation is hopelessly naive.

If you say so...

196 posted on 05/23/2005 2:30:07 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("We'd rather have you dead than incapable" - The Church of Scientology)
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To: drt1

When you're burdened with terrible grief, everything hurts. This never should have happened to this family, but the best thing to do is shut the door in any reporter's face.


197 posted on 05/23/2005 2:34:40 PM PDT by hershey
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To: BikerNYC
Maybe you think enemy mortar fire is friendly ...

What is your Immediate Action Drill (IAD) for a Near Ambush ....

Your IAD for a Far Ambush ...

Tillman's unit WAS under hostile fire and thought it was in an ambush ...

198 posted on 05/23/2005 2:37:15 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: BikerNYC

I know ... you think first reports are 100% accurate.... Maybe you think Notification Officers know all the facts....maybe you are hopelessly naive


199 posted on 05/23/2005 2:57:52 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: hershey

I agree. However, I am surprised at how many people are so quick to condemn his parents. Losing a child must be a horribly painful experience. Anger, however misdirected it may be, is a natural response to grief. Pat Tillman is a true hero, no matter how he died. I will give his parents the benefit of the doubt here. They successfully raised two sons who believed in freedom and the US so strongly that they were willing to sacrifice their lives in its defense. (one was willing to sacrifice a career and financial gain that most can only dream of) I have faith that most reasonable people will see this for what it is---parents grieving over the loss of their son.


200 posted on 05/23/2005 4:45:09 PM PDT by ga medic
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