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Fancy a son? Then get a man’s job
The Times ^ | 05/22/05 | John Elliott, Holly Watt

Posted on 05/22/2005 11:03:21 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

May 22, 2005

Fancy a son? Then get a man’s job

John Elliott and Holly Watt

THE gender of your children may depend on your choice of job, say researchers. While those who opt for caring careers such as nursing or teaching are more likely to have girls, people who go into a profession such as accountancy or engineering stand a far greater chance of having boys.

The theory, outlined in a report by the London School of Economics, may help couples predict whether they are fated to have only girls — or boys.

The study may also reinforce some stereotypes of the sexual division of jobs. The researchers came up with their conclusions after studying the careers and families of 3,000 people from various professions.

The report, published in the Journal of Theoretical Biology, links maleness to “systemising” jobs such as engineering which require precise and detached judgment. Femininity, by contrast, is more linked in the study to work that requires “empathising” and human understanding.

Satoshi Kanazawa, the LSE academic who led the research, explained last week that in the general population, roughly 105 boys are produced for every 100 girls.

But according to his calculations, among engineers and other “systemisers”, the ratio is 140 boys for every 100 girls, and nurses have 135 daughters for every 100 sons.

Kanazawa said that a physicist and a mathematician would be the most likely pairing to produce a boy, while it would be worth betting that a therapist and a chat-show host would have a girl.

The study lists insurance executives, architects and management consultants as being among systemising occupations, while empathising jobs include dieticians, careers advisers and those who work with children.

Kanazawa, along with other experts, is unsure exactly why the effect should occur.

John Manning, a specialist in evolutionary psychology at the University of Central Lancashire, said the findings could be due to the effect of testosterone in the womb. Manning said: “High testosterone levels before conception cause a slight excess of sons, but we don’t know why.”

There was evidence that children of systemiser parents encountered more testosterone in the womb than the children of empathiser parents, and were thus more likely to be male.

A study published in 2002 by the University of Auckland, found that assertive women had a higher chance of having a son because of their testosterone levels — indicated by long ring fingers. Meanwhile, Copenhagen researchers have found that smokers are more likely to have girls than boys.

Simon Rogers, 47, an accountant and director of several business consultancies, falls into the systemiser category. He and his wife, Gerry, 40, who teaches maths and computing, live in Penn, Buckinghamshire, and have four sons, aged 14, 12, 9, and 4.

Rogers said that his wife, too, seemed to be a systemiser. “She manages to hold down a job and keep us all fed, clothed and organised in a seamless way.”

The Rogers household is run along highly structured lines, with the movements of all boys and shopping decisions plotted on a whiteboard, over which his wife has ultimate control. Even the youngest son, Toby, is developing into a systemiser. Rogers said: “He will go to the fridge and say, ‘Mum, there are no yoghurts left, can you put that on the whiteboard please’.”

More of an empathising couple are Gerry Baxter, 46, a vet, and his wife, Aileen, 45, a nurse. They live in Dumfriesshire and have four daughters, aged 18, 15, 13, and 11. Baxter said the research “sounds a bit bonkers” but confirmed that his daughters, broadly speaking, showed signs of being empathisers rather than systemisers.

“We have a neighbour with a young child, and they spend a lot of time with him when he comes to visit . . . and as far as tidying their room or carrying out what they are supposed to do, they won’t do it.”

Among the famous who appear to fit the thesis as empathisers are Bob Geldof, the Live Aid organiser, who has three girls and no sons, and Bruce Willis, the actor, who also has three daughters.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: child; hormone; job; procreation; sex
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1 posted on 05/22/2005 11:03:21 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is nonsense. You could probably find similar differences when comparing hair color, urban dwellers vs. rural dwellers, etc.


2 posted on 05/22/2005 11:15:22 AM PDT by Jaysun (No matter how hot she is, some man, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Curious. I recall that back in my Air Force days circa 1972, the B-52 crewmembers in my squadron were fathering girls at a rate of maybe 4 to 1. I guess 'Arc Light' and 'Bullet Shot' weren't manly enough.


3 posted on 05/22/2005 11:18:48 AM PDT by Grut
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I guess these guys haven't yet heard of the 'X' and 'Y' chromosomes.


4 posted on 05/22/2005 11:23:58 AM PDT by wolfpat (dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Well my buddy out in Montana heads a christian youth camp, takes kids backpacking in the deep wilderness of Montana, takes college kids winter camping, teaching them some winter survival skills.

Heck his wife is about 5'4", weighs maybe 110-115, prefers their .41 magnum revolver, to there 10mm Glock. She shot 2 deer within 2 months of giving birth to their first daughter.

They have home birthed their three daughters, and have started homeschooling. They are as outdoors and wilderness as they come, and yet they hate the Sierra club and environazis.

My buddy isn't a big burly mountain man, but he more than holds his own out there. His wife is a tiny, sweet little thing, with a HUGE smile always on her face. But she is definetly a great match for her husband. Heck, their favorite hobbies when they can have someone take care of the girls for awhile, is to go shooting, or riding motorcycles up the old trails in the mountains.

And yet they have 3 girls. With a 4th child on the way.

And yes they are hoping for a boy this time around.

5 posted on 05/22/2005 11:27:22 AM PDT by mountn man
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What a crock.


6 posted on 05/22/2005 11:28:19 AM PDT by rintense
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people who go into a profession such as accountancy or engineering stand a far greater chance of having boys.

I protest! Now, get to work on that 50 million dollar per year womyns studies center.

7 posted on 05/22/2005 11:47:57 AM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: More atrocities have been perpetrated with a hot glue gun, than with a hand gun)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

My husband, an engineer, has fathered three boys. My brother-in-law, a nurse, two girls.


8 posted on 05/22/2005 11:55:53 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Stupid is as stupid researches......


9 posted on 05/22/2005 11:58:12 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Excrementum Occurum)
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My dh, ex-military and an engineering student, has 2 girls and one boy thus far. His bil the teacher has one daughter and another daughter due to be born any day now...

So it's half right?


10 posted on 05/22/2005 11:59:44 AM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2 (I came looking for you, and now you come looking for me. I thank you." Pope John Paul II)
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“She manages to hold down a job and keep us all fed, clothed and organized in a seamless way.”

Well the feminists said that women could have it all - all the responsibility as it turns out.


11 posted on 05/22/2005 12:08:46 PM PDT by Search4Truth (Sarcasm tags?! We don't need no stinking sarcasm tags!!!)
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To: Jaysun

What's that old saying, "Correlation does not imply causation" or something like that. This article makes me think of this.

LQ


12 posted on 05/22/2005 12:10:29 PM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"profession such as accountancy"

Bwahahahaha! Please stop.


13 posted on 05/22/2005 12:31:49 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Finally. Reality at its best!


14 posted on 05/22/2005 12:40:57 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: Grut

But what about your crewmates' wives? My guess is that back in '72 they weren't drill instructors.


15 posted on 05/22/2005 12:45:09 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Re-elect Dino Rossi in 2005!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Male Engineers produce an abnormally high percentage of X chromosomes. Its due to their macho nature.


16 posted on 05/22/2005 12:51:24 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: TigerLikesRooster
My daughter. Nuff said.


17 posted on 05/22/2005 12:52:16 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The thing that surprises me the most is that they found two European families with four kids.


18 posted on 05/22/2005 1:44:45 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

My uncle, who worked in the NSA, has two daughters. I don't know what that means.


19 posted on 05/22/2005 1:55:43 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Is dairy farming not a "man's job"? I know one with 5 daughters - and no sons.


20 posted on 05/22/2005 2:01:41 PM PDT by Lexinom (No more war! (against the unborn.))
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