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To: needsomereason
"I disagree that the US was founded as a "Christian" country."

"Separation of Church and State" cannot be found in our founding documents.

My pastor was asked to head the Citizen's Committee to have the 10 Commandments installed in a government building in our county. He passed on the offer to care for his ailing mother, however, his brother-in-law headed the committee and this monument was installed on Sept. 11, 2003. Please note that this was after the Roy Moore problem and with the help of conservative legal advise, our monument was installed with dozens of satellite TV crews filming, overflow attendance and not a mention on the national news. You can check the American Heritage Foundation Rock info HERE . Be sure and read all the interesting documents on this monument. One of our local county commissioners asked my pastor to head this up and because these are part of our founding documents, it is legal. I was just in the county building permit office and this monument is in the lobby!

If we plan on defending freedom in this nation, then Christians must get in the fight. I am originally from Muhlenberg County, Kentucky. This county is named after General Peter Muhlenberg and here is an excerpt from how he mixed politics and religion. (Note: Check the link out and you can see his statue in the U.S. Capitol where he is removing his clerical robes to fight for our freedom.)

"In January of 1776, Muhlenberg sent word for his congregation to gather for his farewell sermon. Ascending his familiar pulpit, he preached from Ecclesiastes 3:1-8. The sermon glowed throughout with devoted patriotism as the man of God told his people of his own resolve to fight and, if need be, to die for his country. He closed his message with these words: "In the language of holy writ, there is a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but the time for me to preach has passed away." Then in a voice that re-echoed through the church like a trumpet blast, he exclaimed, "And there is also a time to fight, and that time has now come." After pronouncing the benediction, Muhlenberg threw off his clerical gown and stood before his people in full military uniform. Stepping down the aisle, he ordered the drums at the door to beat for new recruits. The whole village gathered at the church to learn what strange event had turned a quiet church meeting into a scene of bustle and excitement."

This is a Christian Nation and the opening statement of our first official governing document makes it crystal clear that this nation is founded on Christian beliefs and we have only become a great nation because we mix politics and religion. Why did they call them "Pilgrims"?

The Mayflower Compact,
(November 1620)

IN The Name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King Defender of the Faith, &c. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honor of our King and Country a Voyage to plant the first colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience. In WITNESS whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord King James of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth and of Scotland, the fifty fourth. Anno Domini, 1620.

Our first law regarding education in this country was to teach kids to read the scripture. Ye ol Deluder Law.

Churches should be interested in winning souls for Christ but also preserving the political environment that many of our forefathers fought and died for so that our religious institutions could flourish.
117 posted on 05/22/2005 11:25:44 AM PDT by DocRock
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To: DocRock; needsomereason

Doc, needsomereason doesn't seem to care much for trying to debate you.
He seems to think my position is less defensible.

He claims the Founders didn't mention God at all to supposedly show a 'wall of separation'.
He believes the revisionist history tripe on that.

Obviously, he forgets his history, or is willfully ignorant of the history of this nation.


164 posted on 05/23/2005 4:57:33 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Wedgies and beatdowns to all who oppose my lawn gnome!" -Crazy despotic lawn gnome collector.)
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