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Students May Be Suspended for Having Knife at School (used to cut birthday cake)
firstcoastnews ^ | 05.18.05 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/21/2005 7:58:50 PM PDT by Coleus

Students May Be Suspended for Having Knife at School

DECATUR, GA (AP) -- Two DeKalb County students planning to graduate this weekend are appealing their ten-day suspension for having a knife at Martin Luther King Junior High School. The mother of one girl -- Wendy Pickens -- says the students found the knife at school and used it to cut a birthday cake for another student. She says they intended to put the knife back, but the room was locked.

Pickens is concerned about how the case will affect the girls' plans to attend college next fall. Her daughter -- Ashley -- and Candace Grier both are band members and honor roll students.

Pickens said her daughter Ashley, a band member and honor roll student, and Candace Grier, a drum majorette and honor roll student, took the knife from the band room to cut a birthday cake. She says they intended to put the knife back, but the room was locked.

Superintendent Crawford Lewis says the girls will NOT be allowed to attend baccalaureate ceremonies but will be allowed to graduate with their class on Saturday.

School officials say teachers saw the two girls showing a knife May fourth while waiting for a ride home. Deputy Superintendent Garry McGiboney describes it as a serrated-edged steak knife with a rounded end.

Grier wants to attend South Carolina State University, and Pickens is preparing to attend Columbus State.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: birthdaycake; dekalbcounty; discipline; education; georgia; girls; knife; publicschools; school; students; zerotolerance
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1 posted on 05/21/2005 7:58:51 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

:sigh:


2 posted on 05/21/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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Dr. Crawford Lewis
DeKalb County School Superintendent
Phone:  (678) 676-1200
crawford_lewis@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us
Garry McGiboney
Deputy Superintendent
(678) 676-1200
garry_mcgiboney@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us 
School Board member Frances Edwards
Phone:  (404) 289-1477
frances_edwards@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us 
   
School Board member Elizabeth Andrews
Phone:  (404) 371-0669
elizabeth_andrews@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us
Phoebe Bailey
Assistant Principal, MLK Jr. High School
(678) 874-5402
PHOEBE_L_BAILEY@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us
Stephen Black
Assistant Principal, MLK Jr. High School
(678) 874-5402
STEPHEN_G_BLACK@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us
   
Brenda Edwards
Assistant Principal, MLK Jr. High School
(678) 874-5402
STEPHEN_G_BLACK@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us
Vincent Hinton
Assistant Principal, MLK Jr. High School
(678) 874-5402
VINCENT_T_HINTON@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us
Linda Young
Assistant Principal, MLK Jr. High School
(678) 874-5402
LINDA_W_YOUNG@fc.dekalb.k12.ga.us

3 posted on 05/21/2005 8:04:35 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

Zero tolerance. Because thinking is too hard.


4 posted on 05/21/2005 8:06:50 PM PDT by Atheist_Canadian_Conservative
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To: Coleus

And we wonder why children brought up on finger food have no table manners


5 posted on 05/21/2005 8:08:49 PM PDT by Judge Roy
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To: Coleus

OK, this is the straw that finally broke the camel's back.

People who send their kids to the white citadels of utter insane imbecility are just going to have to live with what they get. We'll just keep on educating our kids at home.


6 posted on 05/21/2005 8:16:37 PM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Coleus
The parents may want to listen to Paul Harvey (talking about his favorite college - Hilsdale. I believe and think about tuition...where a person can get an education. I'm sure that the knife incident would be considered a shot at common sense, rather than a decision by a senseless school board.
7 posted on 05/21/2005 8:19:56 PM PDT by Issaquahking (.)
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To: Coleus
Pickens said her daughter Ashley, a band member and honor roll student, and Candace Grier, a drum majorette and honor roll student, took the knife from the band room to cut a birthday cake. She says they intended to put the knife back, but the room was locked.

This seems far fetched. She had a birthday cake that needed cutting and happened upon a knife in the band room - then couldn't get back in to return the knife? There must be more to this than meets the eye.
8 posted on 05/21/2005 8:20:30 PM PDT by Jaysun (No matter how hot she is, some man, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t)
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To: Atheist_Canadian_Conservative

I have Zero Tolerance for Zero Tolerance policies.


9 posted on 05/21/2005 8:27:18 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: Jaysun
There must be more to this than meets the eye.

Every time one of these No-Tolerance cases comes up, the educrat-whipped make that same evasion.

10 posted on 05/21/2005 8:27:25 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: Coleus

Ummm,...zero tolerance is ZERO intelligent!


11 posted on 05/21/2005 8:36:42 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Jaysun
This seems far fetched. She had a birthday cake that needed cutting and happened upon a knife in the band room - then couldn't get back in to return the knife? There must be more to this than meets the eye.

I agree. Sounds to me like a story made up on the spur of the moment. Why would there be a knife in the band room?

Also, the article says the school is a Junior High School. It also says the kids are planning on starting college next year. Makes no sense.

Are there still school systems with Junior High Schools? I thought school systems converted to the Elementary-Middle-High School model years ago.

This affair seems very fishy to me.

12 posted on 05/21/2005 8:39:19 PM PDT by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: upchuck
I agree. Sounds to me like a story made up on the spur of the moment. Why would there be a knife in the band room?

Maybe the band teacher had one for his lunch? It was obviously a food-type knife and not a weapon-type knife. Who cares where it came from?

Also, the article says the school is a Junior High School. It also says the kids are planning on starting college next year. Makes no sense.

No. The school is called Martin Luther King Junior High School. As in, "High School named for Martin Luther King, Jr."
13 posted on 05/21/2005 8:46:37 PM PDT by Turbopilot (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!)
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To: Coleus

If the girls are skipping from Jr high to college, I don't think this will mean anything.


14 posted on 05/21/2005 8:49:27 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: Coleus

If the school system doesn't want knives at school, I think they better stop letting the school have knives.

If they couldn't keep the school from having a knife, I hardly see how they can punish these children for USING the knife that was already AT the school.

You know, when these kids graduate, there's going to be REAL KNIVES out there. I would have hoped the school system would have taken it upon themselves to teach our kids how to be around REAL KNIVES without using them as weapons. But now we have an entire generation who have never learned the peaceful wielding of utensils.

But they are well-trained in how to put on a Condem. I guess that's the important thing.


15 posted on 05/21/2005 9:04:37 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper; bearsgirl90

It would be interesting to see how these petty dictators run their own homes. Bet they can't even control their own kids, so they psychologically compensate by pounding iron fists at the students. How many of these no-tolerance type despots were the playground bullies of their youth? Still preying on children, because they can. Institutionalized child abuse.


16 posted on 05/21/2005 9:07:33 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Coleus
Are High-schools still allowed to have wood shop?. Lots of sharp stuff there.
17 posted on 05/21/2005 9:20:13 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Coleus



""Her daughter -- Ashley -- and Candace Grier both are band members and honor roll students."'

[And Dangers to society with their birthday cake cutting knifes]


18 posted on 05/21/2005 9:28:14 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Where were you when Tom Delay demanded justice?!)
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To: Atheist_Canadian_Conservative

Zero tolerance=zero common sense.

What ever happened to the skill of discerning between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law??


19 posted on 05/21/2005 9:30:27 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The House of Representatives serves people-The Senate serves phony baloney.)
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To: Coleus

THanks for the e-mail addresses. I sent the following e-mail to the lot of them:

Dr. Crawford Lewis, Board members, and administration of Dr. Martin Luther King Junior High School;

My name is Charles Reichley, and I write an opinion column for the Potomac New Newspaper in Manassas, Virginia.

I have followed the problems with the Public Schools Zero-Tolerance policy with some interest. I have two children currently working their way through the Prince William County, Virginia Public School System, and my son especially has had his share of disciplinary difficulties. But while our school system has a rigid disciplinary policy, it allows for discretion on the part of officials serving in positions of authority.

I read with consternation about a recent incident in your school involving several students of high academic and extracurricular standing, who nonetheless face major disciplinary punishment over the use of a common piece of silverware.

I only know what I read in the newspapers, so I do not mean to judge the case. But I do hope that you will judge the case, and not blindly follow policy rather than using common sense.

The facts as I know them suggest that the knife in question was in fact a common utensil, of the kind I'm sure the children use in their day-to-day lives, and that they could find at any local restaurant.

Further, the knife was already at the school. I would submit that if you are so deeply concerned about your inability to control the children under your care that you won't let them have a place setting, that you should not provide knives in your school for them to find and use.

These are children who we trust with automobiles. I imagine you provide them with condoms on request, so you probably are trusting them to know how to engage in appropriate and safe sexual behavior. They are about to graduate, so we presume they are ready to go out on their own and be productive and law-abiding citizens.

But it seems that the school system doesn't even trust them to know that a knife is for cutting food, not for use as a weapon. God forbid if our school wasn't able to teach them this basic tenet of living in a free society. As I wrote in a recent column, which I have attached in its entirety below, when they get out in the real world there will be knives on every corner, and we better have taught them how to deal with it.

Our public schools exist to train our children to exist in the real world. At some point that has to include giving them the opportunity to do the WRONG thing, so that we can ensure that they have been taught to do the right thing.

If you never let your child near the hot stove, they will not be burned, but they will not learn NOT to be burned. And one day when you are not there, you don't know what they will do.

When I attended school, we had our occasional dust-ups. I saw a girl in 5th grade stab another in the shoulder with a fork (do you ban forks?). It hurt, but we survived. Nowadays as I said before we let children drive, and sometimes they do the wrong thing and they DON'T survive. As horrible as that is, it is better than forbidding them to drive -- because some day they will drive, and they have to learn to do so appropriately.

When a school system forbids students to have a common kitchen knife, it is a tacit admission that the school has failed to instill in the students the appropriate control of behavior necessary to function in our world. The school also tells the students that they are not trustworthy, that they are not mature, that the school expects them to act inappropriately if given the chance.

Moreso, the students correctly discern (for they are intelligent) that the policy is absurd on its face. And they wonder about the other rules. They hear the message 'Don't drink and drive', but seeing the stupidity of the adults on the issue of painkillers, or knives, or fingernail clippers, they reasonably (but sometimes fatally) conclude that nothing the adults say can be trusted. Are drugs really bad? Is smoking wrong? Do I really need a condom for safe sex?

Inappropriate and mindless rules send the wrong message to our students. I hope in this case you can see beyond an outdated and harmful policy, and act in accordance to the power you should possess as intelligent people put in positions of authority. You are decision-makers, not mindless followers. Don't hide behind policy, set the standard.

I thank you for your time, and hope that this e-mail has been helpful to you in your attempts to do the right thing.

Respectfully Yours,

Charles Reichley


20 posted on 05/21/2005 9:36:17 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking)
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