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1 posted on 05/21/2005 6:31:59 AM PDT by bulldozer
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To: bulldozer

Like it is going to matter how the people vote. There will be some liberal activist Judge who will order it removed anyhow.


2 posted on 05/21/2005 6:37:13 AM PDT by TGOGary (I would blow my brains out before ever wearing a blue beret.)
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To: bulldozer

It makes no difference what the people want, it is what the ACLU wants that counts. If they (ACLU) don't get it, they will sue and win.


4 posted on 05/21/2005 6:42:55 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: bulldozer; Piquaboy; cripplecreek; TGOGary

So if the ACLU wins will they wrap the cross in burlap, soak it in gasoline and burn it? Hmmmm.


6 posted on 05/21/2005 6:48:36 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: lonevoice

. . . and the Communiists will take over the country without ever firing a gun. They have been eroding our democracy and our way of life for over 50 years.


8 posted on 05/21/2005 6:58:53 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: bulldozer
Opponents of the transfer, including the ACLU, contend it is illegal and unconstitutional.

The Buddhist statue blown up by the Taliban was a religious symbol on public land. The ACLU no doubt applauded that 'legal and constitutional' act.

10 posted on 05/21/2005 7:22:27 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: bulldozer
who represents an atheist seeking to remove the Christian symbol from public lands

Ahhh, the power of ONE.

11 posted on 05/21/2005 7:33:48 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: bulldozer

Pathetic crap on the weakening of America....Kiss my a@# ACLU!


12 posted on 05/21/2005 7:47:57 AM PDT by Route101
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To: bulldozer
I received an interesting "pass it on if you agree" email, complete with photos, that points out:

1) "As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law makers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view. It is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!"
2) "As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door."
3) "As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall, right above where the Supreme Court judges sit, a display of the Ten Commandments!"
and so on.

So, why isn't the ACLU attacking these "outrages"? Guess it's easier, and more lucrative, to pick on the locals.

What is particularly aggravating is that the ACLU is getting paid by the taxpayers for this. That and the fact that our elected representatives immediately assume the fetal position when the ACLU sues them over some supposed civil rights violation instead of telling them to take a hike.

13 posted on 05/21/2005 8:36:35 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: bulldozer
Do the people of America want this agenda?
  1. Blocking prayer and Bible reading in our public schools and city/village meetings
  2. Litigating to remove 10 Commandments plaques and all Christian symbols and emblems in our schools, cities and public places
  3. Ensuring that the grisly procedure of partial birth abortion be permitted as a recognized legal medical procedure
  4. Ensuring that abortion without restrictions be available at any time throughout a woman's pregnancy Ensuring that parents be denied the right to consent or even be notified of a teenager's decision to have an abortion
  5. Denying waiting periods before pregnant women have an abortion
  6. Denying information about abortion to women considering abortion
  7. Removing "IN GOD WE TRUST" off our money
  8. Forcing religious organizations like Catholic Charities as well as insurance companies to provide contraceptive and/or abortion coverage against their will
  9. Removing God out of the Pledge of Allegiance
  10. Forcing homosexuality to be taught as an acceptable alternate lifestyle in public schools
  11. Forcing public schools to adopt Gay/Straight Alliances in communities that do not want them
  12. Forcing states to accept same sex marriage as equivalent to heterosexual marriage
  13. Preventing libraries from blocking pornography in their computers
  14. Legalizing Child Pornography
  15. Providing Tax Exemptions for Satanists
  16. Opposing Tax Exemptions for Churches
  17. Legalizing Prostitution
  18. Legalizing Polygamy
  19. Requiring Ideological Tests for Court Appointees
  20. Providing Mandatory Sex Education
  21. Opposing Sobriety Checkpoints
  22. Opposing School Vouchers and Home Schooling
  23. Opposing Government Ethics Committees
  24. Opposing Public Demonstrations for Direct Action by Pro-lifers
  25. Opposing Teaching "Monogamous Heterosexual Intercourse within Marriage" in Public Schools
  26. Opposing Legalized Optional School Prayer

17 posted on 05/21/2005 10:22:02 AM PDT by bulldozer
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To: bulldozer; TGOGary; cripplecreek; Piquaboy; sinanju; Pride in the USA; layman; Route101; ...
Among ACLU's founders January 12, 1920, were William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Louis F. Budenz. All three later became prominent leaders of the Communist Party, USA, although Budenz broke with the Party in 1945 and became a militant anti-Communist.

In 1976, Congress passed the Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act, which was designed to encourage private lawyers to take on suits to protect civil and constitutional rights. The law provides that judges can order federal and state governments to pay legal fees to private lawyers who sued the government and won. The result has been a flood of civil rights cases in federal court. From The New American Feb. 2, 1987

It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.

FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.

Under the aegis of the ACLU's Foundation---worth some $135 million---any number of financial travesties can be hidden. The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.

REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.

Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

NOTE: In order to spread this message far and wide, you may have already received it. Sorry about that.

20 posted on 05/21/2005 3:44:52 PM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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To: self

You can help stop the ACLU by contacting your representatives to support the following:

Rep. John Hostettler, R-Ind., filed a measure to amend the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Act of 1976, 42 U.S.C. Section 1988, to prohibit prevailing parties from being awarded attorneys fee in religious establishment cases, but not in other civil rights filings. If you want to corral the ACLU, then consider a letter or email to your Congressman urging them to cosponsor this legislation.




May 26, 2005
H.R.2679 - Referred to House committee. (2005-05-26)
Filed under: Legislation — Administrator @ 12:00 am

Sponsor of H.R.2679: To amend the Revised Statutes of the United States to eliminate the chilling effect on the constitutionally protected expression of religion by State and local officials that results from the threat that potential litigants may seek damages and attorney’s fees.

Free Republic discussion and action links:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1413875/posts

Please spread the word.


25 posted on 05/31/2005 5:36:10 PM PDT by ViLaLuz
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