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Newsweek and the Quran: The Muslim holy book isn't just a "bible." It's far more sacred than that.
The Wall Street Journal Opinion Journal ^ | May 21, 2005 | Kenneth L. Woodward

Posted on 05/20/2005 9:43:01 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: de Buillion

What a sick perverted joke. We are worried about how people who interpret a book as justifying murder feel? F'em all. bWe are worried about Saddam in his underpants? Give a break.

I have to admit, the administration has gone so PC and created the climate where we are tip toeing around these monsters while it should be the other way around.

If we continue this nonsense, we are doomed!


101 posted on 05/21/2005 7:27:12 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: quidnunc

Has anyone marketed a Koran urinal target yet? Or a Newsweek one?


102 posted on 05/21/2005 8:11:04 AM PDT by kcar (The UNsucks.com)
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To: livius

I would have continued on exactly those lines. It's unaccommodating. Strange necessity for a religion--but what allows its civilization to flower or progress. They had to have had it once; where did it go? Several answers come to mind, but even taken all together don't explain today's flaws and what you rightly call ethical shallowness (probably the kindest criticism you could apply). Their intellectuals translated the Greeks before the Europeans, exposing a tiny percentage of the Muslim world to the best of preChristian philosophy but never allowed the Greek works to circulate (following religious proscription) EXCEPT among would-be great leaders who then had the advantage of "outside" (and extremely useful) knowledge denied their subjects; and their armies adopted, successfully, the structure of their religious administration (the Ottomans, in particular), an odd pyramid of rank and corresponding authority wherein every soldier answered to one and only one soldier of the next-highest rank--meaning all but the very lowest on the nearly countless rungs of nearly countless ladders held absolute power over one subordinate! Until the top of the pyramid of ladders. How this ever worked is beyond me. But like so much in Islam, rules and procedures for the masses differed from those of their leaders.


103 posted on 05/21/2005 9:27:38 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: eakole

But .. the relationships I was talking about were the average townspeople - who hated the Taliban. What is so wrong about cultivating a "working relationship" with those people.

Also .. the majority of the people of Iraq DO NOT SEE US AS BAD .. it's only the terrorist groups .. and there is a distinct difference. If you can't see that - and you're judging everyone as a terrorist - you are making a mistake.


104 posted on 05/21/2005 10:12:08 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Sterm26

It should be hung on the bathroom wall for emergancies only since I doubt that they use high enough quality paper to make it acceptable for daily use.


105 posted on 05/21/2005 10:20:19 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: quidnunc

From the writers that advocate tearing the Ten Commandments off our buildings.


106 posted on 05/21/2005 10:34:38 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: quidnunc

It's no more holy than the Bible. Which is Holy. They just think they are better...


107 posted on 05/21/2005 10:37:38 AM PDT by bboop
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To: kcar
Or a Newsweek one?

Newsweek puts out one...it's called Newsweek.

108 posted on 05/21/2005 12:03:23 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: More atrocities have been perpetrated with a hot glue gun, than with a hand gun)
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To: BurbankKarl
Perhaps, the author of this twaddle can apply all of this touchy-feely sensitivity he feels, for Muslims killing people in defense of what they hold sacred, to those bomb abortion clinics, who feel that they are defending what they hold sacred.

/sarcasm

109 posted on 05/21/2005 12:11:37 PM PDT by Paul Atreides (FACT: More atrocities have been perpetrated with a hot glue gun, than with a hand gun)
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To: taxesareforever

"Let me clue you in, Americans do get it and we take our freedoms very very seriously. "

With the obvious exception of Muslim American Citizens...


110 posted on 05/21/2005 12:56:49 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: quidnunc

Mohammed the warlord and political leader claimed the angel Gabriel told him all this stuff - trouble is, his mixture of Nestorian (Christian sect) stories, jewish stories and other fables and admonitions has more holes than swiss cheese, and in the end, his Meccan followers adopted the 'moon God' Kibla-worshipping practices and called it Islam. Along the way, he slanders Jews and Christians, and tells his followers to make them 2nd class citizens. He's no prophet, just another renegade, who eventually used/abused his power to do things like marry 9 times, including to a child; Mohammed was a poster child for why politics and religion are best left unmixed. he left behind a psychotic set of moral beliefs for a religion - including the all-important "jihad", his way to get followers to die for his political aims. Now we suffer today because of his 7th century phony stories about paradise. Moron Arab teenagers even today buy it.

The Quran is no more "Holy" than
"Dianetics" or "The Da Vinci Code" or Al Franken's or Anna Quindlen's latest whines. To pretend it has any real value is to insult the more decent religions of the world (which are most of the rest - buddhism, judaism, christianity, etc.)


111 posted on 05/21/2005 1:19:18 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: Desron13

"I get it just fine. The practitioners of the religion of peace are for the most part little more than fanatical savages bent on forcing their death cult on the rest of the world. After reading the self serving schemes interspersed with incoherent ramblings written by that little pervert Mohamed, I'd say that if the Newsweek article isn't true, It sure should be. Islam, it's not a religion. It's an induced mental disorder."

Nice, Michael Savage-like riff there... I think Mr Savage (the ranting talk show host) is too hard on liberalism with his latest book title (called "Liberalism is a mental disorder").

OTOH, you are on to something... I can envision a book called "Islam is a mental disorder". And it could make a lot of sense.


112 posted on 05/21/2005 1:23:21 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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When Palestinian terrorists took over a Christian Cathedral some years ago they used pages of the bible as toilet paper.

When Israel belonged to the Arabs , the Wailing Wall, sacred to the Jews ,was purposedly used as a garbage dump

In Indonesia and other places Christians were /are killed for practicing their religion by Muslim extremists.

One of the greatest and most venerated Golden Buddhas on the planet was blown into pieces by radical Muslims in Afghanistan a few years ago

You cannot bring a Bible to Saudi Arabia. If it is in your luggage when you arrive it will be confiscated.

113 posted on 05/21/2005 1:26:12 PM PDT by catonsville
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To: quidnunc
Thus, recitation of the Quran is for Muslims much like what receiving the Eucharist is for Catholics--a very intimate ingestion of the divine itself. This, then, according to Newsweek's story--now retracted and "regretted" by the magazine's editor--is what some interrogators flushed down a toilet at Guantanamo Bay.

Uh, people make fun of and denigrate the Catholic Eucharist all the time. Remember that guy that put a wafer on eBay that was supposedly blessed by John Paul II? And remember a few months ago when NBC's now-cancelled sitcom "Committed" did an episode with a plot revolving around, yes, a Communion wafer (at least, what they thought was one) being flushed down a toilet?

Millions of Catholics were outraged by both events. Yet I don't recall any riots resulting from either event, nor any deaths.

114 posted on 05/21/2005 1:26:22 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (John Bolton for White House Press Secretary!)
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To: expatguy

"I do my best to shrug it off. Many of the people such as yourself simple piss on the carpet and are not interested in any honest intellectual debate."

He kind of comments are un-called for and unworthy of even reply.

Hang in there, expatguy... it's easy to cast stones behind the security of a computer in good ol' USA. Your insight of someone living out there is worth 1000 peanut-gallery comments.



115 posted on 05/21/2005 1:28:09 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: quidnunc

Whoa? And to think I've got one sittin in the muck at the bottom of my outhouse crap hole here at the farm. If I'd known the Koran was so sacred, I would not have put it down there this morning. But now what can I do?


116 posted on 05/21/2005 1:29:41 PM PDT by anton
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To: N. Beaujon

Woodward: "I am chagrined by the realization of how little impact that story made in the long run on the education of Americans about Islam and its holy book, how quickly it was all forgotten."

Oh, what b*ll he is spreading...

we learned PLENTY about Islam from the very news that they killed folks over this *false report*.
A false and violent religion is what Islam is.


117 posted on 05/21/2005 1:33:16 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: catonsville

"You cannot bring a Bible to Saudi Arabia. If it is in your luggage when you arrive it will be confiscated."

Wonder why they would do that ?


118 posted on 05/21/2005 1:33:42 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: Dont Mention the War
Thus, recitation of the Quran is for Muslims much like what receiving the Eucharist is for Catholics--a very intimate ingestion of the divine itself.

Well then, I suppose it's time for a fatwah against UPS and the USPS -- after all, they deliver this "divine" object from Amazon and elsewhere all the time. It's thrown on various floors, like all packages in transit, and handled by various infidels along the way.

OTOH, except for some smart-a##es on E-Bay, the Eucharist is not regularly sold in stores.

If Muslims want to prevent desecration of the Koran, they should stop selling/printing it, and confiscate all existing copies. I love books, but the world would definitely be better off without this one.

119 posted on 05/21/2005 2:19:45 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: RS
I had heard about Bible banning on talk radio, you question made me want to check it out on the Internet. And I have gotten mixed messages.

A website seeking Non-Saudis to work in that country indicates you can bring a bible into the country, just do not use it to convert anybody.

But a Muslim Blogger wrote this recently...."the Saudi government desecrates and burns Bibles that its security forces confiscate at immigration points into the kingdom or during raids on Christian expatriates worshiping privately."

Obviously the Saudis are afraid of the messages of other religions.

120 posted on 05/21/2005 2:49:16 PM PDT by catonsville
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