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US Airways, America West agree to merge
associated press ^ | May 19, 2005 | JACQUES BILLEAUD and MATT BARAKAT

Posted on 05/19/2005 5:05:24 PM PDT by Dog Gone

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To: safisoft
The government, to-date is out nothing...

To-date...

The difference between what assets USAir passes off to the government - and the money to pay the pensions owed to USAir retirees is to be paid by taxpayers. This is a free market intervention.

"A loan is a loan." A government guarantee of a loan to a company is a free market intervention. Without it, USAir would likely never have gotten the financing to emerge from bankruptcy and would have been liquidated. The government propped it up by guaranteeing the loan, something I never got for my mortgage. This was a free market intervention.

Live by free markets, die by free markets.

61 posted on 05/20/2005 3:59:32 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: safisoft
"American screwed TWA people because they did not ALPA merger policy. American has a different union."

American did nothing of the sort. American saved TWA. Immediately, pilots at TWA saw a huge increase in pay, they were picked up off the street, where otherwise, they would have been stapled to the bottom of company going through interviews and a new hire process. They were given AA's medical insurance, and were provided with a great outlook for the future at a profitable airline. They were able to have an opportunity to fly more a/c types at AA than had TWA miraculously saved itself after, was it three, bankruptcies?

The only people I've ever seen to profit by mergers and deals are the suits in the boardroom who somehow have better pension "protection" than its pilots, flight attendants, etc. Don Carty can screw up an airline, get booted out of his job, and leave the company with his silly, googley grin and millions of "protected" dollars, as month after month, AA workers suffer cutbacks, and furloughs. Lovely.

62 posted on 05/20/2005 7:36:51 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (H.R. 698 - go drop anchor somewhere else)
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To: safisoft

The 321 is a dog, they won't be in Phoenix, they don't have the range to do transcons in hot weather. The EMB is a good plane, provided you let a seperate commuter fly them, they really need to simplify with the minimum of plane types.

As for the 67, you are right, you are wedded to them for a while, but I'd rather see the 330 replace all the 67 flying, some of your 67's are pretty long in the tooth if I remember correctly, as are all of our 757's.


63 posted on 05/20/2005 9:06:09 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Remember when conservatives embraced the rule of law? (Do ya?))
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To: safisoft

As for Doug Parker, he is a great guy, I was only there when he was the CEO for about 6 months, but he really is a breath of fresh air after we were subjected to the evil Bill Franke, and our pie in the sky founders who damn near killed us all with their crazy schemes. Its easier when both sides have a union, but even our most senior guys are fairly junior to the US and PSA and Piedmont folk, but there is a big retirement bulge coming up soon.

I do not want to see another TWA scenario, that was awful. I hope the majority of my friends at AWA's HQ keep their jobs, its a great place. I visited Crystal City once a few years back, and it was not a happy place.


64 posted on 05/20/2005 9:11:11 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Remember when conservatives embraced the rule of law? (Do ya?))
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To: mikrofon
UseLess Airways merges with America's Worst

Remember when USeless Airways was Allegheny or Agony Airlines?

I used to fly 5-7 times per week in a former job and had to take Agony almost half the time.

Quit that job when my kids started calling me Uncle Dad.

65 posted on 05/20/2005 9:12:14 AM PDT by N. Theknow (BXVI - The cafeteria is closed.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
The 321 is a dog, they won't be in Phoenix, they don't have the range to do transcons in hot weather.

I fly all models of the A320 family. The A321 is no less of a performer than a 737-300 at low altitude. It does do transcon - we have daily transcon flights in the A321 - with better reserves than a B737-400. It is not the rocket the A319 is, but few aircraft outside the B757 are. The only people who think that an A321 is a dog have not flown it - or the A330 - the A330 is a dog, and it is transatlantic.

Our 767s are getting old, but the 757s are worse because a good percentage are old Eastern ones.
66 posted on 05/20/2005 1:23:39 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: safisoft

We still have an old Eastern bird in our 757 fleet, but they are all RR engines. We are in the process (again) of ETOPS for the 757 for Hawaii service starting early next year, I just wish we would fly the 757 to Costa Rica, the 319 has serious performance issues coming out of there on a windy day.

I'm listening to the employee webcast that Doug gave last night, interesting, he is a good guy, and if anyone can do it, he can.

I don't see any Boeing airplanes in this fleet in 5 years.


67 posted on 05/20/2005 1:42:48 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Remember when conservatives embraced the rule of law? (Do ya?))
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To: safisoft

Its not just a matter of cost, its a matter of "corporate culture" and worker productivity at Southwest vis a vis the legacy carriers.


68 posted on 05/20/2005 1:46:20 PM PDT by Clemenza (Now it's dark...)
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To: safisoft

Doug did say on the webcast that the 330 will take over all the transatlantic, and that if the 350 doesn't meet the promised specs, we will look at 787 instead as the follow-on for the 330.


69 posted on 05/20/2005 1:47:07 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Remember when conservatives embraced the rule of law? (Do ya?))
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