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To: Pomian

Those prisoners who were captured by the Polish Army (estimated 50,000 or so) were usually not Russians. They had Asian features. Lord D'Abernoon depicts them as "hordes". ==

I agree with that. Those bolshevick hordes wasn't russian with some russian involvement so.

As to concentration camps,there was only one in Poland but it was for Polish communists in Bereza Kartuska. In fact, it was a field prison, not an extermination camp the German way we know today. It was only a very harsh prison.==

I agree with that too.

Nevertheless it happened. POWs deathes in polish captivity then Stalin's executions of polish officers (they say in revenge).
Poland partitioned Checkoslovakia with Hitler then Poland was partitioned with Stalin and same Hitler next year. (Poles talk about it as greatest historical wrong. I don't disagree that it was wrong but it was god justise IMO for 1938.)
Poland wishes to become colonial power before WW2.
Polish prison camps like wise Stalin's prison camps happened in same time too.

I may find even more similarities.

But one difference so. Poland of Pilsudskii was national polish Poland.
Soviet Union of Stalin was international commie'. So it wasn't russian national state.
Think about it.

They attack RUSSIANS for deeds of nonrussian international commie state. Is it fair?
They put on RUSSIANs the character image of international commies. They see RUSSIANs with same stereotypes. And they think that they are right!:) Funny isn't it?


65 posted on 05/20/2005 6:12:08 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

"Poland partitioned Checkoslovakia with Hitler then Poland was partitioned with Stalin and same Hitler next year."

Poland annexed a bit of Czechoslovakia (Zaolzie) in 1938. It was a very small region of mixed population, Polish and Czech, and Poles didn't strike any deal with Hitler. It was a cowardly and criminal act and every schoochild in Poland knows that. How many shoolchildren in Russia know that their country struck a deal with the Fuehrer to attack Poland and annex half of its territory?


67 posted on 05/20/2005 6:58:05 PM PDT by j23
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To: RusIvan
You Russians went through real hell. I bow my neck before your strength to save the national heritage of Russia. Those Bolshevic hordes, no matter Russian or Polish or else, were the worst scum of the humankind. Nationality for communists is a secondary question. All that matters is a class origin. So, if you are Russian, Polish, American, German, etc it means nothing to them. But if you are a son of e.g. a teacher, a doctor, etc. and your palms are smooth, you better run away. This way millions of Russians, intellectuals, teachers, doctors, entrepreneurs, etc. were murdered and other millions were forced to flee from their country.

The October Revolution was a great national tragedy for Russia, and then for other countries.
We the Polish barely defeated communists at the gates of Warsaw in 1920. It was Marshal Pilsudski’s legions who saved Poland from communism and he was loved for it by almost all Poles. He’s loved by me as well.

Do you know that it was no less than Stalin, whose stupidity and insubordination saved Poland from communism?

The commander-in-chief of the Red Army ordered Stalin’s army to come to attack Warsaw, while Stalin preferred to take Lwow first. Gen. Tukhachewski had to attack Warsaw without Stalin’s army and finally both lost.

There’s no doubt if Stalin had moved his well trained horse cavalry army toward Warsaw, Poland would have lost.

Gen. Tukhachewski couldn't’t accept his defeat and made strong rebukes to Stalin after 1920 campaign. This made them personal enemies and when Stalin rose to power, he ordered to kill Tukhachewski together with his family, first accusing him of ...spying for Germany.
Anybody who could deny Stalin’s greatness was brutally annihilated. Tens of thousands of officers of the Red Army were murdered by Stalin in 1930s, just anybody who could remember Stalin’s defeat in 1920.

Who else left? The victorious Polish Army of 1920!

The Katyn Crime was only a logical consequence of Stalin’s broken pride and madness.

To make things “funny”, the most cruel communist criminals were not Russians, Stalin was Georgian, Dzierzhynski was Polish, etc. Russia was actually conquered by Bolsheviks in 1917-1921 and (no hard feelings please) the Russian people became slaves of the brutal communist regime. Hundreds of years of Moscow-Riazan culture was murdered overnight. Thousands of poets, writers, artists - the heart and soul of Russia were shot dead.

I think you need some 300 years to rebuild what communism destroyed in you national identity.

You survived communism, so I believe you’ll survive post-communism. Good luck.
76 posted on 05/21/2005 10:07:53 AM PDT by Pomian
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