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British man wants indefinite life support
The Washington Times ^ | 5-19-05 | UPI

Posted on 05/19/2005 11:13:51 AM PDT by JZelle

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1 posted on 05/19/2005 11:13:52 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: JZelle

Hey, the government took on the burden of supplying healthcare to citizens; this is one of those burdens.


2 posted on 05/19/2005 11:15:15 AM PDT by ruiner
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To: JZelle

Knew this was coming, I did. Warned people.


3 posted on 05/19/2005 11:16:21 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: JZelle
"Decisions on treatment should be made by doctors pocketbooks, not patients, it contended.Scary though of the day.
4 posted on 05/19/2005 11:16:45 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: raivyn

Well, it WOULD be scary, if that were indeed the quotation.

That you had to alter it to make it scary kind of undercuts your point.


5 posted on 05/19/2005 11:17:37 AM PDT by Xenalyte (End women's suffrage! Hasn't the country suffered enough?)
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To: JZelle

Just give the guy a bed ... and tilt his feet up about 75 degrees when he falls into the coma. Eventually a blood vessel will pop in the brain and he will go peacefully.


6 posted on 05/19/2005 11:18:53 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ("THE REDNECK PROBLEM" ..... we prefer the term, "Agro-Americans")
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To: Xenalyte
You are missing the point. Healthcare in GB is controlled by the gov't, correct? Therefore any choice the "doctors" make is likely to be largely based on monetary convenience.
7 posted on 05/19/2005 11:23:03 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: floriduh voter

ping


8 posted on 05/19/2005 11:24:27 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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"Therefore any choice the "doctors" make is likely to be largely based on monetary convenience."

That's assuming government officials of any nation worry about spending too much tax money.
9 posted on 05/19/2005 11:25:51 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tfecw

If it's a choice between saving money, and terminating a "unproductive/useless" life, then they will gripe about the cost and do anything to avoid paying it. (especially since they have "important" stem cell research to conduct!)


10 posted on 05/19/2005 11:29:38 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: tfecw
That's assuming government officials of any nation worry about spending too much tax money.

It's not an assumption. It's the very basis for the article.

excerpt:

The General Medical Council has appealed the ruling to the High Court, saying it created confusion between the roles of doctor and patient. Decisions on treatment should be made by doctors, not patients, it contended.

The council's lawyers argued further Wednesday costs could become unmanageable if every patient made the same request, The Times of London said Thursday.

~snip~

11 posted on 05/19/2005 11:33:48 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: ruiner

Its not too hard to see where this is heading, is it?

Talk about a perfect example of the proverbial slippery slope...


12 posted on 05/19/2005 11:34:41 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: raivyn

Reading (and comprehending) articles is a rare skill on FR these days, I'm afraid.


13 posted on 05/19/2005 11:35:39 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Pessimist

It's worth discussing who pays for this expensive care. Evidently not the patient.


14 posted on 05/19/2005 11:37:00 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Xenalyte
That you had to alter it to make it scary kind of undercuts your point

Actually he made the point rather well - with socialized medicine, the patient is not an important part of the equation - if the government and government-owned doctors decide you cost too much to treat, you are toast. Can you imagine being sick and have a doctor tell you it would cost too much to keep you alive for the next few years, so he was cutting off food and water to ensure you weren't a burden? That's pretty much what the story suggested - the guy wants to be fed and hydrated until the disease kills him and the system says he shouldn't get to make that call. How scary do you want it?

15 posted on 05/19/2005 11:39:24 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: cyncooper

Comprehension is a rare skill anywhere, I'm finding... LOL


16 posted on 05/19/2005 11:41:40 AM PDT by raivyn (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/)
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To: cyncooper

If he pays taxes then doesn't he pay for the care?


17 posted on 05/19/2005 11:41:46 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: cyncooper

"It's worth discussing who pays for this expensive care. Evidently not the patient."

As I recall from the Terry Schiavo information, providing water and food by means of a gastric tube is not expensive care. She was in a very low cost facility, more like $75/day than $1500. I think the real issue isn't cost. It's doctors' and goverment's authority being challenged.


18 posted on 05/19/2005 11:42:28 AM PDT by Stirner
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Decisions on treatment should be made by doctors, not patients, it contended.

Ah, yes, the inevitable conclusion to universal health care.

Ping to tutstar.

19 posted on 05/19/2005 11:48:25 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (News junkie here)
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To: trebb

Money is always a consideration. Whether it's the government or an HMO, eventually somebody has to make the decision that enough's enough. Health care gets rationed no matter who controls the decisionmaking process. That will only be more true in the future.

Government bureaucracies don't have the patients's best interest at heart. I would submit that you can say the same thing about HMO bean counters.

I'm not a fan of socialized medicine. I'm just saying that for-profit medicine presents its own set of problems.


20 posted on 05/19/2005 11:48:55 AM PDT by kms61
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