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US Offends Muslim Detainees’ Religious Beliefs: HRW (Islamist Propaganda Barf Alert)
Islam Online (IOL) ^ | 19 May 2005 | Islam Online

Posted on 05/19/2005 8:57:16 AM PDT by Cornpone

NEW YORK, May 19, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – The US should investigate the humiliation of Muslim detainees and the abuse of their religious beliefs rather than attack those who expose them, an international human rights group has said.

“Around the world, the United States has been humiliating Muslim detainees by offending their religious beliefs,” Reed Brody, a special counsel for the New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW), was quoted as saying by Agence France-Presse (AFP).

“If the United States is to repair the public relations damage caused by its mistreatment of detainees, it needs to investigate those who ordered or condoned this abuse, not attack those who have tried to report on it,” Brody averred.

In its May 9 edition, the mass-circulation Newsweek quoted “a knowledgeable US government source” as saying that investigators probing abuses at Guantanamo found that US interrogators “had placed Korans (sic) on toilets, and in at least one case flushed a holy book down the toilet.”

The report sparked angry and violent protests across the Muslim world from Afghanistan, where 16 were killed and more than 100 injured, to Gaza.

After protests from the Pentagon, the weekly cast some doubts on the story in its next edition, saying the source “couldn't be certain about reading of the alleged Qur'an incident in the report we cited, and said it might have been in other investigative documents or drafts”.

“Extensive” Abuse

The HRW counsel said the Newsweek’s story would not have resonated had it not been for “extensive” US abuse of Muslim detainees and the Bush administration's failure to fully investigate all of those implicated.

He said the reaction of the Bush administration to the reported desecration had been so vocal as to drown out documented complaints of similar ill-treatment of the Noble Qur’an.

Brody asserted that the world rights watchdog had heard several complaints from former detainees, including three Britons and a Russian, on cases of the Qur'an desecration by US jailers.

Complaints on the desecration of the Noble Qur'an by US interrogators were widely reported outside the US in interviews with former detainees in Guantanamo and Baghram prison in Afghanistan.

In 2003, an ex-Guantanamo detainee told the Washington Post that American jailers dumped the Noble Qur'an in a toilet.

“It was a very bad situation for us,” said Ehsannullah, 29, who was arrested by US soldiers in Afghanistan and shipped to Guantanamo.

“We cried so much and shouted, ‘Please do not do that to the Noble Qur'an’.”

Similar cases of the Qur'an desecration were also reported by Asif Iqbal, a former Guantanamo detainee who was released to British custody in March 2004 and subsequently freed without charges.

“The behavior of the guards towards our religious practices as well as the Qur'an was also, in my view, designed to cause us as much distress as possible. They would kick the Qur'an, throw it into the toilet, and generally disrespect it.”

The US is holding more than 500 prisoners at Guantanamo, most of them were detained in Afghanistan after US-led troops invaded the country and ousted the Taliban in late 2001.

Amnesty International published a report in April, 2004, hitting out at Washington’s violations rights abuses in Guantanamo and Afghanistan.

In a report entitled “The Road To Abu Ghraib,” the HRW linked the abuse of detainees in Iraq , Afghanistan and Guantanamo to US President George W. Bush’s so-called war on terror.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: humanrightswatch; islam; islamist; propanganda
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Its time to change the tone of the debate. Why is Islam the only religion recognized by the United Nations as being victimized by defamation? Answer: Because the rest of the world has slowly succumbed to dhimmitude. What makes the Qur'an more 'noble' than say the Bible?
1 posted on 05/19/2005 8:57:17 AM PDT by Cornpone
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To: Chgogal

Ping...


2 posted on 05/19/2005 8:58:04 AM PDT by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: Cornpone

I'm offended that the islamokazi animals even exist.


3 posted on 05/19/2005 8:58:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Anyone who thinks we believe Hillary on any issue is truly a moron.)
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To: Cornpone

Has the world gone crazy? Have they excepted Islam as a religion in preference to all others? People like this Brody make me want to puke with their defense of the religion of hate.


4 posted on 05/19/2005 9:03:54 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Cornpone
It's too bad that we took prisoners.
5 posted on 05/19/2005 9:04:59 AM PDT by b4its2late (If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.)
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To: Cornpone

It looks like they are Forcing another Crusade!! Why do they just love to get their A$$e$ kicked!


6 posted on 05/19/2005 9:05:41 AM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: Cornpone
In 2003, an ex-Guantanamo detainee told the Washington Post that American jailers dumped the Noble Qur'an in a toilet.

Well, discounting that this al-Qaeda POS was lying, as is their practice per their field manual, will someone please enlighten me as to how the ravings of a pedophile murderer became "noble"? Seems to me that Mohammed's rants aren't anymore noble than those of Larry Flynt or NAMBLA, and are exactly of the same character as other perverts.

"The Koran: Kiddie porn disguised as religion."

7 posted on 05/19/2005 9:08:05 AM PDT by Bombardier (Islam isn't a religion, it's a perversion.)
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To: sgtbono2002
"Has the world gone crazy?"

Yes, the world has gone crazy. You should read the writing of David G. Littman to understand how discussions of Islam and violations of universal rights are no longer allowed at the United Nations because it constitutes blasphemy and defamation of Islam. Now that's a twist. They can do anything they want to Christians and others but if we even attempt to mention their horrible human rights record our mouths are shut because its blasphemy. The civilized world seems bent on self destruction.

8 posted on 05/19/2005 9:08:47 AM PDT by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: 26lemoncharlie; Cornpone

Absolutely. Let the war be openly, publicly declared, instead of us keeping it all hush-hush and politically correct, while they've been screaming war calls to our deaf ears. They started it anyway.

The 'infidel' WILL triumph over these barbaric thugs.

Show them armageddon.


9 posted on 05/19/2005 9:10:01 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Cornpone
They obviously choose to ignore the blatant anti semitism so common in the Islamic world.
10 posted on 05/19/2005 9:11:17 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Cornpone

So desecrating the Koran is worse than say decaptiting a human being?

Islam is the religion of the ignorant.


11 posted on 05/19/2005 9:15:12 AM PDT by wvobiwan (United Nations = World-wide Criminal Organization)
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To: Cornpone

The Qu'ran is Qu'rap.


12 posted on 05/19/2005 9:17:23 AM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: wvobiwan
"Islam is the religion of the ignorant."

Of course it is. Only the ignorant and those who can't read would believe in the hogwash and twisted dogma espoused by a malignantly narcissistic pedophile, lecher and murdering brigand.

13 posted on 05/19/2005 9:18:22 AM PDT by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: Cornpone

Islam's existence befouls the planet.


14 posted on 05/19/2005 9:20:23 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Cornpone
Why is Islam the only religion recognized by the United Nations as being victimized by defamation?

Because their followers blow up thousands of men, women, and children every year.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Also some very evil countries site on the UN panel on human rights.

When Islamic nations permit open practice of other faiths and freely allow muslims to convert away (without executing them afterwards), we'll listen.

15 posted on 05/19/2005 9:25:36 AM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: wvobiwan

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11723

I was shocked recently when I heard of the news that an American was beheaded by some Iraqis and this was shown on video to the whole world!!

ANSWER:

The incident that you have written about is indeed shocking. However, it is extremely important that we do not lose hold of the bigger picture because of our emotions. Doesn’t it seem strange that throughout the Iraqi war and so many months of oppressive occupation, it is only when the US army has come under fire from the entire world because of their gross indifference to humanity that only now the Iraqis decide to publicly execute an American?

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai


16 posted on 05/19/2005 9:27:18 AM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

They are exceedingly perverse. Such is their nature.


17 posted on 05/19/2005 9:28:52 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Cornpone

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=5482

Is having a Slave (girl) for sex nowdyas is allowed?

ANSWER:

It may, superficially, appear distasteful to copulate with a woman who is not a man's legal wife, but once Shariat makes something lawful, we have to accept it as lawful, whether it appeals to our taste, or not; and whether we know its underlying wisdom or not. It is necessary for a Muslim to be acquainted with the laws of Shariat, but it is not necessary for him to delve into each law in order to find the underlying wisdom of these laws because knowledge of the wisdom of some of the laws may be beyond his puny comprehension. Allah Ta'ala has said in the Holy Quran: “Wa maa ooteetum min al-ilm illaa qaleelan” which means, more or less, that, "You have been given a very small portion of knowledge”. Hence, if a person fails to comprehend the underlying wisdom of any law of Shariat, he cannot regard it as a fault of Shariat (Allah forbid), on the contrary, it is the fault of his own perception and lack of understanding, because no law of Shariat is contradictory to wisdom.

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One question that still remains is whether slavery still legally prevails anywhere in the Islamic world and whether it can be successfully implemented in this age. Well, there is no prevalence of lawful slavery in the Islamic world today and it would be difficult to implement it because of the stringent conditions attached to it. Firstly, the prisoners have to be captured in 'Jihaad' in the true sense of the word. Then again, If true 'Jihaad' did break out somewhere, there are still a number of other laws and conditions to abide by which are far too stringent for any Islamic country in the world to abide by in this time and age when people's personal gains and whims and desire are being given preference to over Islamic Law. According to Islamic Law, captive female prisoners are also part and parcel of the booty. One fifth of the booty has to be first distributed to the needy, orphans, etc. The remaining four-fifths should then be distributed among the soldiers who participated in the war. The distribution can only take effect after the booty is brought into Islamic territory. The Ameerul-Mu'mineen (Head of the Islamic State) remains the guardian of the female prisoners until he allocates them to the soldiers. Only after a soldier has been allotted a slave girl, and made the owner of her, will she become his lawful possession. After she spends a period called 'Istibraa', which is the elapse of one menstrual period, It becomes permissible for her owner to have relations with her. After possession of the slave too there are a number of other laws that affect the master and slave. There is hardly any Islamic country today that can abide to all these conditions, with the result that it is quite difficult to implement slavery in this time and age.


18 posted on 05/19/2005 9:32:44 AM PDT by weegee (Funny how prisoners at Gitmo can have their religious books but our school kids can't.)
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To: b4its2late

I have to agree; Muslim like most Europeans and the liberal left of the United States are the scurge of the earth; they are the people who have NO tolerance for other opinions. They reject any opinion that doesn't mirror theirs; they are the people of hate. These supposedly peaceful sub-humans are the first to use force that takes lives or destroys them to get their way.


19 posted on 05/19/2005 9:36:09 AM PDT by wvnavyvet
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US Offends Muslim Detainees’ Religious Beliefs

Cry me a river.

Did I miss the memo where Muslims are now required to give a d*mn about other religious beliefs?

Although I have the utmost respect for everyone's right to believe whatever they want, I sense no obligation to respect their beliefs.

If one's beliefs are so fragile that they cannot stand some scrutiny and/or disrespect -- such as flushing their book in a toilet -- perhaps one should reconsider those beliefs. My beliefs can stand up to anything.

So, I invite anyone, Muslim or otherwise, to go ahead and try to offend my beliefs. Bring it on.

20 posted on 05/19/2005 9:36:22 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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