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To: wideawake
"It was mainly Jews who were gassed."

Excuse me, but dead is dead. "How" they were killed matters not one bit.

"Most of the Nazis Slavic victims were either soldiers or resistance fighters killed in battle or civilians killed in reprisals and raids, like the famous one at Lidice."

Wrong. Rummel is VERY careful in his research to separate out victims of war (those killed in active fighting) and victims of democide (civilians killed at government behest). I suggest spending a little time perusing his website---it is VERY enlightening.

"Only a small fraction of Slavic victims of the Nazis were gassed in the camps."

And I repeat---dead is dead. The way they were killed matters not in the least.

"Popular conception" has it that Hitler was the worst mass murderer in history, and that it was Jews who were largely the victims/targets of his actions. Both notions are wrong.

Stalin was responsible for the deaths of far larger numbers than Hitler (and may, in fact, have killed more Jews than Hitler).

And, as I show above, the Jews were NOT the "main victims" of the Nazis. The "Jewish experience" in WWII is unique in only one way---a larger PERCENTAGE of the population of European Jews was killed than any other etnic group--but even that is probably due to two factors--1) that the total number of Jews was relatively small, and 2) that Jewish populations were highly concentrated in specific tiny geographic areas, and hence were easier to round up and exterminate. Other groups suffered more absolute numbers of dead.

But THE main conclusion that one is forced to draw from Rummel's research is that SOCIALISM IS DEADLY, and, as a political philosophy, has been responsible for the deaths of more people than ANY OTHER SINGLE CAUSE---and that includes things like the "Black Plague" and other such supposed catastrophes.

19 posted on 05/19/2005 7:34:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Excuse me, but dead is dead. "How" they were killed matters not one bit.

He correctly said that Jews made up the majority of those killed by gas. You, incorrectly, said that he was wrong.

I corrected your blunder.

Wrong. Rummel is VERY careful in his research to separate out victims of war (those killed in active fighting) and victims of democide (civilians killed at government behest).

Rummel is unable to determine precisely how many were killed resisting, how many died because of disease or hunger and how many were summarily executed.

He can be as careful as he likes - he can't invent information that we simply don't have.

And I repeat---dead is dead. The way they were killed matters not in the least.

The only reason i specified was because you incorrectly asserted that the majority of victims of gassing were Slavs. You insisted on this point, not I.

"Popular conception" has it that Hitler was the worst mass murderer in history, and that it was Jews who were largely the victims/targets of his actions.

Hitler was one of the top three, possibly the top two.

And Jews were a group that he specifically targeted for destruction, while he claimed that he only wanted to subjugate the Slavs.

Hitler was a genocide and the geno he wanted to cide were the Jews.

that is probably due to two factors--1) that the total number of Jews was relatively small, and 2) that Jewish populations were highly concentrated in specific tiny geographic areas, and hence were easier to round up and exterminate.

The obvious third factor is that the Nazis wanted to eliminate all jews, while the Nazis only wanted to cow and subjugate Slavs by killing only Slavs who resisted their rule. Non-Jewish ethnic groups that cooperated, like Hungarians, got off lightly. Non-Jewish groups that resisted, like Poles, were decimated.

But THE main conclusion that one is forced to draw from Rummel's research is that SOCIALISM IS DEADLY, and, as a political philosophy, has been responsible for the deaths of more people than ANY OTHER SINGLE CAUSE---and that includes things like the "Black Plague" and other such supposed catastrophes.

No serious observer disputes this conclusion.

20 posted on 05/19/2005 7:44:43 AM PDT by wideawake (q)
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