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To: Wonder Warthog
Excuse me, but dead is dead. "How" they were killed matters not one bit.

He correctly said that Jews made up the majority of those killed by gas. You, incorrectly, said that he was wrong.

I corrected your blunder.

Wrong. Rummel is VERY careful in his research to separate out victims of war (those killed in active fighting) and victims of democide (civilians killed at government behest).

Rummel is unable to determine precisely how many were killed resisting, how many died because of disease or hunger and how many were summarily executed.

He can be as careful as he likes - he can't invent information that we simply don't have.

And I repeat---dead is dead. The way they were killed matters not in the least.

The only reason i specified was because you incorrectly asserted that the majority of victims of gassing were Slavs. You insisted on this point, not I.

"Popular conception" has it that Hitler was the worst mass murderer in history, and that it was Jews who were largely the victims/targets of his actions.

Hitler was one of the top three, possibly the top two.

And Jews were a group that he specifically targeted for destruction, while he claimed that he only wanted to subjugate the Slavs.

Hitler was a genocide and the geno he wanted to cide were the Jews.

that is probably due to two factors--1) that the total number of Jews was relatively small, and 2) that Jewish populations were highly concentrated in specific tiny geographic areas, and hence were easier to round up and exterminate.

The obvious third factor is that the Nazis wanted to eliminate all jews, while the Nazis only wanted to cow and subjugate Slavs by killing only Slavs who resisted their rule. Non-Jewish ethnic groups that cooperated, like Hungarians, got off lightly. Non-Jewish groups that resisted, like Poles, were decimated.

But THE main conclusion that one is forced to draw from Rummel's research is that SOCIALISM IS DEADLY, and, as a political philosophy, has been responsible for the deaths of more people than ANY OTHER SINGLE CAUSE---and that includes things like the "Black Plague" and other such supposed catastrophes.

No serious observer disputes this conclusion.

20 posted on 05/19/2005 7:44:43 AM PDT by wideawake (q)
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To: wideawake
"He correctly said that Jews made up the majority of those killed by gas.

You're right. I read it in the larger sense of "killed"---not "gassed".

"Rummel is unable to determine precisely how many were killed resisting, how many died because of disease or hunger and how many were summarily executed. He can be as careful as he likes - he can't invent information that we simply don't have."

Again, I suggest you spend some time with Rummel's data. There is much more available than one might think.

"Hitler was one of the top three, possibly the top two."

Actually, Hitler is third. Mao Tse-Tung is "number two".

"And Jews were a group that he specifically targeted for destruction, while he claimed that he only wanted to subjugate the Slavs."

Wrong. The ultimate goal was to eliminate any "non-Aryans".

"Hitler was a genocide and the geno he wanted to cide were the Jews."

Wrong. See above.

"The obvious third factor is that the Nazis wanted to eliminate all jews, while the Nazis only wanted to cow and subjugate Slavs by killing only Slavs who resisted their rule. Non-Jewish ethnic groups that cooperated, like Hungarians, got off lightly. Non-Jewish groups that resisted, like Poles, were decimated.

Again, wrong. The only reason he succeeded so well with the Jews was that they were concentrated, isolated, and disarmed (which is one reason I have a hard time understanding the current position of many Jews on civilian gun ownership---one would think that THEY, if any group, would understand the absolute need of the citizenry to own the means to resist--I can't understand why EVERY Jew in the USA isn't a member of the NRA).

"No serious observer disputes this conclusion (deadly socialism)".

Well, there are certainly a lot of people that seem highly enamored of socialism in spite of the historical evidence--including the current inhabitants of the Democrat party.

25 posted on 05/19/2005 8:23:04 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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