Posted on 05/18/2005 5:58:09 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
Thank God they missed. I guess one of those Islamics whose visas Georgia keeps stamping decided to stick around rather then to head to Chechnya.
Any prints off the rag?
Unless it was a nucular hand grenade.
Other way around. I gave explicit of examples of Divine Intervention: 1. Battle of Midway. 2. D-Day Invasion
I also earlier mentioned about kid who tried to kill the teacher that the gun repeatedly jammed in Dallas.
To me, all of these are examples of Divine Intervention.
Otherwise, it is just a matter of Faith. If you don't believe in God, you probably don't have Faith. If you have Faith, then all things are possible (the Faith of the Mustard seed, for example).
I knew someone whose father stepped on a Claymore in Vietnam. It did not go off. The man felt God intervened in that case, and so do I.
No you gave me example of other things which you inexplicably believe were Divine Intervention.
I knew someone whose father stepped on a Claymore in Vietnam. It did not go off. The man felt God intervened in that case, and so do I.
Well, then you obviously don't know what Claymore is. They aren't pressure activated.
See, no problem
On the other hand, I understand things that are not explainable because of certain things in my life are the fact I know what technology is capable of doing, and what it is not capable.
Albert Schweitzer had a famous saying (but in German) that basically states: when God does not what His way known, He uses coincidence.
Midway was a battle where we lost two or three torpedo squadrons. Bad, Bad. But the timing of the attack of the torpedo planes was such that it drew every Jap Zero to sea level.
The Dive Bombers got separated (coming from two different Task Groups and three Aircraft Carriers), and came in just as the Zero's were chasing the stragglers of the torpedo attack.
This meant that 5 Jap Carriers (against our pitiful 3) were hit by a few bombs.
Normally, this would not have been devastating, but the 5 Jap Carriers were launching planes (carriers loaded with planes, bombs and fuel).
The result was that the pitiful attack destroyed 4 out of the 5 carriers in minutes (or left them in a state that they would sink).
So the battle dramatically went from 5 carriers against 2 good carriers and a cripple (Yorktown, I think) to 1 Jap Carrier against 2 good carriers and a cripple.
The cripple was damaged in the battle of Coral Sea, and had emergency repairs made so it could go to sea in this battle.
The equation was that the Japanese just happened to be launching planes and the torpedo planes unintentionally dropped the fighter protection to sea level and a few bombers managed to spread 500 lb bombs amongst 4 out of the 5 carriers (strickly luck by the Battle Reports).
Basically, at Midway, our planes arrived at different times in an uncoordinated attack that made it successful (which would be an oxymoron).
Our sailors had a bad habit at that time of drinking the alcohol (or some of it in the torpedos). So the torpedo attack was probably doomed (plus our lack of testing with torpedos versus the well tested and lethal Japanese torpedo.
A good, coordinated attack probably would have been a disaster for the American side (no Jap carriers sunk).
But the uncoordinated attack, with planes getting lost, resulted in the real turning point in the Pacific.
But a more important factor was the weather, moon, and tides.
The moon and low tides forced the invasion to be the 6th of June. There was a horrible English Chanel storm on the 5th. The Weather folks told Eisenhower that it should clear just barely in time for the invasion, but it was a major risk to go ahead with such a severe English Chanel storm continuing.
Not only did the weather beak for the Allies, but the Germans were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN there would be invasion because of the severe storm and went bed not worrying about that.
The British weather stations in Scotland were the key to the success, as well as the Patton Diversion -- which Hitler took hook, line and sinker (him being criminally insane worked to our advantage).
Now the explanations use LOGIC, not FAITH or BELIEF in God, but, in my opinion explain how weather, an act of God worked in our favor at Normandy.
In the previous case of Midway, timing was critical, but we had temporarily broken the Japanese code to know where the Japanese were going to invade (luck, hard work, or Divine Providence).
Finally, though many do not realize it, the famous Naval Historian Samuel Eliott Morison in his book about Christopher Columber explained that Columbus literally had perfect conditions for his first crossing of the Atlantic.
He crossed the Atlantic in the area where tropical depressions, tropical storms and hurricanes track across the Atlantic into the Caribbean.
One bad storm in his flimsy ships, and maybe the America would not be discovered for another 100 years (or more?).
So what do you declare to be Divine Intervention versus my explanations?
Our GOD reigns!! Our prayers that there be a hedge of protection around President Bush and his Cabinet and his family are answered. PRAISE THE LORD! HE IS GREATER THAN ALL THE FORCES OF EVIL.
A holy priest was told where to be build the mission in Nagasaki. He later became a saint in the Roman Catholic Church (but not because of that). The mission was protected from the fat man blast by the position on the hill (most of the hill blocked the blast and effects).
In the case of Hiroshima, there were 8 Jesuits living in Hiroshima. However, only 4 were at ground zero -- less than a mile from the epicenter of the blast.
Not only did they survive the airblast and firestorm, but the four closest were subjected to lethal doses of radiation and stayed in the area months after the blast helping people.
Science to this day has not been able to explain this. Some of these old men were on 60 Minutes (I think) in the 1970s to tell their tale.
Scientists thoroughly examined these Jesuits and had no clue why they survived and did not suffer any form of radiation poisoning.
Is that Divine Intervention? In my opinion--yes.
On that day God decided it was dead.
The first reports saying that the grenade was not good.
http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=9895
Related articles: White House: Bush was not in Danger in Tbilisi
http://www.ftimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=27090&TM=85365.59
Georgia's security chief said Wednesday that an inactive grenade was found near the site where President Bush made a speech in Tbilisi.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=10109
Georgian officials claimed the Soviet-made grenade was inactive.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/05/11/bush-georgia050511.html
Grenade found near Bush inactive
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/05/11/bush.georgia/
Grenade near Bush 'was inactive'
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=637512
'Inactive' grenade found at Bush speech site in Georgia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/11/AR2005051101869.html
Grenade Near Bush Was 'Inactive'
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=748183
White House never believed the president's life was in danger.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050512/REPO12-3/TPInternational/Briefs
the Soviet-era grenade was found in "inactive mode" near where Mr. Bush spoke ...
I think often the first reportings are the more accurate.
Spinning the story to suit to some religious agenda is not fair... I would think that it would rather insult people with faith in God...
It just looks so .... cheap.
A serious error.
Good thing she was never a member of the NRA...
This is why we, as intercessors, pray for President Bush's safety. It's essential, as you can see.
Exactly!
If that gernade was live, then GW is not finished the work God has set for him to do.
Spinning the story to suit to some religious agenda is not fair... I would think that it would rather insult people with faith in God... It just looks so .... cheap.
So don't do it. But if others choose to see the divine — hardly an "agenda" — of what possible interest is it to you? I would suggest a "live-and-let-live" approach would save you a lot of angst.
Exactly. In 12 year in the military, I've seen very few dud grenades. The guy who got hit in the head with it had better go to church and pray well.
Point taken...
Still .. I have an opinion. And quite unselfishly share it with this forum...
I would accept the suggest a "live-and-let-live" approach...
Is the closeness of the President's call really something the world needs to have been informed about?
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