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To: topher
Other way around. I gave explicit of examples of Divine Intervention: 1. Battle of Midway. 2. D-Day Invasion I also earlier mentioned about kid who tried to kill the teacher that the gun repeatedly jammed in Dallas.

No you gave me example of other things which you inexplicably believe were Divine Intervention.

I knew someone whose father stepped on a Claymore in Vietnam. It did not go off. The man felt God intervened in that case, and so do I.

Well, then you obviously don't know what Claymore is. They aren't pressure activated.

See, no problem


105 posted on 05/19/2005 3:30:27 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: AdamSelene235
Because I started programming computers in the 1970's, I understand what today's technology can do.

On the other hand, I understand things that are not explainable because of certain things in my life are the fact I know what technology is capable of doing, and what it is not capable.

Albert Schweitzer had a famous saying (but in German) that basically states: when God does not what His way known, He uses coincidence.

Midway was a battle where we lost two or three torpedo squadrons. Bad, Bad. But the timing of the attack of the torpedo planes was such that it drew every Jap Zero to sea level.

The Dive Bombers got separated (coming from two different Task Groups and three Aircraft Carriers), and came in just as the Zero's were chasing the stragglers of the torpedo attack.

This meant that 5 Jap Carriers (against our pitiful 3) were hit by a few bombs.

Normally, this would not have been devastating, but the 5 Jap Carriers were launching planes (carriers loaded with planes, bombs and fuel).

The result was that the pitiful attack destroyed 4 out of the 5 carriers in minutes (or left them in a state that they would sink).

So the battle dramatically went from 5 carriers against 2 good carriers and a cripple (Yorktown, I think) to 1 Jap Carrier against 2 good carriers and a cripple.

The cripple was damaged in the battle of Coral Sea, and had emergency repairs made so it could go to sea in this battle.

The equation was that the Japanese just happened to be launching planes and the torpedo planes unintentionally dropped the fighter protection to sea level and a few bombers managed to spread 500 lb bombs amongst 4 out of the 5 carriers (strickly luck by the Battle Reports).

Basically, at Midway, our planes arrived at different times in an uncoordinated attack that made it successful (which would be an oxymoron).

Our sailors had a bad habit at that time of drinking the alcohol (or some of it in the torpedos). So the torpedo attack was probably doomed (plus our lack of testing with torpedos versus the well tested and lethal Japanese torpedo.

A good, coordinated attack probably would have been a disaster for the American side (no Jap carriers sunk).

But the uncoordinated attack, with planes getting lost, resulted in the real turning point in the Pacific.

106 posted on 05/19/2005 5:01:16 PM PDT by topher (John 5:58 + Exodus 21:22 +Jer 1:5 + Gen 9:6 +John 14:6 + Rev 12:1-17)
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To: AdamSelene235
In the case of the Normandy invasion, Hitler was deceived into believing that Patton would invade in Calais and would not allow any of his Field Marshalls to move troops (the insanity of Hitler working for us).

But a more important factor was the weather, moon, and tides.

The moon and low tides forced the invasion to be the 6th of June. There was a horrible English Chanel storm on the 5th. The Weather folks told Eisenhower that it should clear just barely in time for the invasion, but it was a major risk to go ahead with such a severe English Chanel storm continuing.

Not only did the weather beak for the Allies, but the Germans were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN there would be invasion because of the severe storm and went bed not worrying about that.

The British weather stations in Scotland were the key to the success, as well as the Patton Diversion -- which Hitler took hook, line and sinker (him being criminally insane worked to our advantage).

Now the explanations use LOGIC, not FAITH or BELIEF in God, but, in my opinion explain how weather, an act of God worked in our favor at Normandy.

In the previous case of Midway, timing was critical, but we had temporarily broken the Japanese code to know where the Japanese were going to invade (luck, hard work, or Divine Providence).

Finally, though many do not realize it, the famous Naval Historian Samuel Eliott Morison in his book about Christopher Columber explained that Columbus literally had perfect conditions for his first crossing of the Atlantic.

He crossed the Atlantic in the area where tropical depressions, tropical storms and hurricanes track across the Atlantic into the Caribbean.

One bad storm in his flimsy ships, and maybe the America would not be discovered for another 100 years (or more?).

So what do you declare to be Divine Intervention versus my explanations?

107 posted on 05/19/2005 5:11:39 PM PDT by topher (John 5:58 + Exodus 21:22 +Jer 1:5 + Gen 9:6 +John 14:6 + Rev 12:1-17)
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To: AdamSelene235
Probably the best example of Divine Intervention occurred at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II.

A holy priest was told where to be build the mission in Nagasaki. He later became a saint in the Roman Catholic Church (but not because of that). The mission was protected from the fat man blast by the position on the hill (most of the hill blocked the blast and effects).

In the case of Hiroshima, there were 8 Jesuits living in Hiroshima. However, only 4 were at ground zero -- less than a mile from the epicenter of the blast.

Not only did they survive the airblast and firestorm, but the four closest were subjected to lethal doses of radiation and stayed in the area months after the blast helping people.

Science to this day has not been able to explain this. Some of these old men were on 60 Minutes (I think) in the 1970s to tell their tale.

Scientists thoroughly examined these Jesuits and had no clue why they survived and did not suffer any form of radiation poisoning.

Is that Divine Intervention? In my opinion--yes.

109 posted on 05/19/2005 5:17:55 PM PDT by topher (John 5:58 + Exodus 21:22 +Jer 1:5 + Gen 9:6 +John 14:6 + Rev 12:1-17)
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