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To: NewLand

You know that universities and employers would not honestly cooperate with surveys to gather ratios of foreign nationals to US citizens (and permanent residents, even) in the hard sciences. Therefore, you demanded proof of what is common knowledge. The spite by too many education administrators and teachers (including higher education instructors) against US boys and men is also common knowledge.


http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/story/0,10801,100057,00.html

Sidebar: Foreign Students Fill Computer Science Graduate Programs

News Story by Patrick Thibodeau

FEBRUARY 28, 2005 (COMPUTERWORLD) - H-1B Salary Interactive ToolAn argument cited by H-1B supporters for raising the visa cap stems from the high number of foreign students -- especially from China and India -- who come to the U.S. to study.

Foreign student enrollments account for about 70% of the masters and Ph.D. computer science students at Texas Tech University, according to John Borrelli, dean of the graduate school at the 28,000-student university in Lubbock. Last year, the number of foreign students who applied for graduate admissions was more than three times the number of U.S. residents who did so, Borrelli said.

In 2001, the most recent year for which figures are available, foreign students made up nearly 60% of graduate enrollments nationwide, according to the National Science Foundation.

Borrelli said U.S. students aren't as interested in engineering and science studies as foreign students are. "We are not preparing our students out of high school to compete in the area of science and engineering very well," he said.

Most of the students enrolled in the New Jersey Institute of Technology's graduate program are foreign nationals. The Newark-based school has so far received 208 applications for admission in computer science master's degree programs next year, with about 165 of those applications from foreign students, said Stephen Seideman, dean of the school's college of computing science. The foreign students "will do everything they can to stay here," he said.

Typically, foreign graduates of U.S. universities get a one-year training visa after graduation and then seek an H-1B visa.

Rock Regan, former CIO for the state of Connecticut, said state agencies typically don't hire H-1B visa holders because of political concerns. But Regan thinks U.S. schools are "not putting out the number of qualified workers that the industry needs."

Despite the addition of 20,000 more visas for the current fiscal year, the H-1B cap is still less than half of its 195,000-visa peak. Regan suspects that the reduced number of visas will encourage offshore outsourcing of IT jobs. Offshoring "will become more of a reality if people can't get the talent here in the U.S.," he said.

Opponents see any increase in the number of visas as having an impact on the prospects of U.S. students. Norman Matloff, professor of computer science at the University of California, Davis, and a longtime critic of the H-1B visa program, said it's largely a matter of supply and demand. The more H-1B workers there are, the less opportunity there is for his students, Matloff said.


129 posted on 05/18/2005 11:07:10 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop
In 2001, the most recent year for which figures are available

Please refer to my recent post #139 for updated figures through 2003-2004 (most recently completed academic year) which provides actual numbers of degrees awarded (more definitive figure than enrollments) in all levels of engineering: Bachelor's, Master's, Doctorate, all disciplines.

The rest of your article references 2 schools which account for less then 1% of engineering degrees awarded...hardly a statistical bell weather.

140 posted on 05/18/2005 12:44:55 PM PDT by NewLand (Faith in The Lord trumps all!)
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