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To: Blood of Tyrants; Hank Rearden; safisoft
The Law was given to the Jews to demonstrate that it was impossible to be saved by the Law, only condemned by it.

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 says, "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. It is not in heaven, that you should say, `Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, `Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it."

The idea (coming from Justin Martyr) that the G-d purposfully created the Law of Moses as a way to trip up and frustrate His people by giving them an unaccomplishable task is a lie. People who believe this stuff don't read scripture, particularly the Tanak enough.

319 posted on 05/18/2005 8:46:52 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Read the red! www.readthered.com)
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To: Tamar1973

Yet the very core of this article is very detailed instructions on how to operate a stove on the Sabbath so as to not break any Jewish law. NO ONE can live up the the standard that G-d sets. Have you?


321 posted on 05/18/2005 9:26:48 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Tamar1973
But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it

One of my favorite verses in the Tanakh. Thanks for posting it.

325 posted on 05/18/2005 10:17:50 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Tamar1973

Devarim 30:9ff

"9 "Then the LORD your God will prosper you abundantly in all the work of your hand, in the offspring of your body and in the offspring of your cattle and in the produce of your ground, for the LORD will again rejoice over you for good, just as He rejoiced over your fathers;
10 if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law, if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and soul.
11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
12 "It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
13 "Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
14 "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.
15 "See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.
17 "But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,
18 I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it.
19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,
20 by loving the LORD your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them."


He instructed them to keep the commandments written in the Law He had given them, and then commanded them to "love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments" and told them that blessings would follow. Context is everything. Our ladies dress with great modesty, cover their heads in worship and prayer, and are a wonderful addition to the singing of psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.

The Law was given as a tutor to prepare His people for the advent of Grace. It was to teach the discipline necessary for serving Him with gladness as a holy priesthood of believers.


331 posted on 05/18/2005 12:22:55 PM PDT by lifelongsoldier (Blessed art Thou oh LORD our GOD, King of the universe, and blessed are Thy chosen people.)
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To: Tamar1973; Blood of Tyrants
The idea (coming from Justin Martyr) that the G-d purposfully created the Law of Moses as a way to trip up and frustrate His people by giving them an unaccomplishable task is a lie. People who believe this stuff don't read scripture, particularly the Tanak enough.

I have read more than my share of evangelical theology (from Calvin, to Augustine, to Arminius, to Aquinas, to John MacArthur) to know that most of the people who spout such a position have not even begun to consider the reality, nor explored the Scriptures themselves. Justin Martyr, a mere 15 years after the death of Yochanan [Johh] made almost the identical claim against Jews in 'A Letter to Trypho' - namely that they Sabbath was given as a CURSE because the Jews would not have FAITH (I guess he never bothered to READ Hebrews 11 and see the VERBS).

I have read most of the 'ante-Nicean fathers' and they are full of this sick stuff. No wonder some Jews think Christianity is a cult - one wonders if they are reading the same front 2/3rds of the book sometimes.
337 posted on 05/18/2005 1:40:56 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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