Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro
Please be aware that there are restrictions in the use of ovens and stoves on the Sabbath and Holidays. If you are unfamiliar with the laws of keeping food warm on the Sabbath or cooking on the Holidays, please call your Rabbi. Please note that when the Holiday and Sabbath coincide, the Sabbath laws prevail. See your owner's manual for instructions on operating the Sabbath mode. Before first use of a new oven be sure to wash the racks and interior of the oven thoroughly with warm water and soap to remove any coating oil.
COOKTOPS:
On the Sabbath, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off.
On the Sabbath, a "blech" should be used to cover the flame in addition to covering the controls of the cooktop. For the gas burners and coiled electric burners, use a standard "blech". The manufacturer does not recommend putting a "blech" on the glass electric cooktop surface. Instead, just the controls should be covered.
On the Holidays, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated or turned completely off. For gas cooktops, raise and lower the temperature as required for cooking. For electric cooktops adjusting the temperature is permitted at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
During a power failure, gas cooktops will remain on, whereas electric cooktops will shut off and remain off when the power returns.
The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover. For the rest of the year, be sure to wipe the cooking surface clean between meat and dairy use.
OVENS:
The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
These ovens have a timed bake feature in the Sabbath mode. This feature can only be initiated before the Sabbath/Holiday. Once timed bake goes off, the oven cannot be used again for that Sabbath/Holiday.
These ovens have a delay start feature in the Sabbath mode. For use on the Sabbath, all food must be in the oven before the Sabbath begins.
After recovery from a power failure, all these ovens will stay off. They will remain in the Sabbath mode, however, there will be no cooking capability.
WARMING DRAWERS:
The drawer temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the drawer controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
Food should be placed in the warming drawer before the Sabbath begins, as in a regular oven, since none may be placed in the drawer during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the drawer may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the drawer may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.
If the power fails when the warming drawer is ON, when the power returns, the drawer will return to its previous ON setting.
BAKE-N-WARM™ OVENS:
The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
Food should be placed in the Bake-n-Warm™ oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
After recovery from a power failure, these Bake & Warm™ ovens will stay off.
Do this for one year.
Succeed.
You're making the assumption that this is an all-or-nothing, do-it-all-perfectly-without-a-single-mistake or you plunge into the pit of Hell.
That's not what we believe. We believe in striving, always striving to observe G-D's commands. If there are occasional slip ups and stumbling, repentance and prayer are available. G-D is a forgiving G-D, who rewards the good and punishes the bad.
Unlike other religion which would send a soul plunging into the pit of Hell even if he did everything else right but failed to acknowledge the "new" savior and put faith in the original.
Well, that's my point, really. :0)
Simply put, yes. The rabbi that lived across the street from me used to use timers to control the lights in his house on Saturday and holidays.
Yehuda may have answered some of this, however, in a sense, it is the same. the best comparison, and it is not really a good one is to say that "law" covers federal, state, local provisions as well as the courts interpretations of those laws. Torah and Talmud work together that way. Talmud is word covering two primary works, Mishna and Gemara. Mishna itself is the written down oral laws handed down by the generations covering the time periods approx 200 BCE to 200 CE and compiled by Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi. They were never codified in a formal way until his time and were finally written down due to the uncertain political environment and the possibility that the yeshivas where the laws were learned and the students themselves may be threatened. the Gemara covered the next 300 years or so. the difference? by way of an example, you know things better than your children about your family history. your parents know more than you. the generation closest to the Mishna wrote down the laws with their greater knowledge using terms and examples which were common in their own times but 500 years later were not quite as common if known well at all. (try understanding tax policy without knowing what "income tax" means). the Gemara records how these later generations dealt with the issues facing them using the knowledge they had based upon the Mishna, the Oral Law from Sinai and Moses. This is really what this entire thread is about in a way. those who think modern people know better or are foolish to keep something "someone else with too much time on their hands" lunge into a risky area. for instance, I may believe I know better than you. Neither of us have any truth necessarily since our opinions are more based upon personal interests than seeking the truth. the power of Torah is that G-d set in motion the creation and the way to live in it. The laws at Sinai havent changed but the way we live has. the use of technology and modern conveniences do not make the Torah or Talmud less important but to the contrary more important. The technology revolves are Torah not the other way around.
Did you see the pre-separated toilet paper for use on the Sabbath?
(or were those pages of the Holy Koran.)
That was not my point at all.
And there was no reason to get snotty.
Dumb question: Is it a sin to flush the Koran on the Sabbath?
Hmmmm. My answer seems to have disappeared. The rabbi who lived across the street from me used to use timers to control the lights in his home on Saturdays and holidays. There were special dishes that were designed to be cooked slowly overnight in a warm oven that his family ate on those days.
Hmmmm. My answer seems to have disappeared. The rabbi who lived across the street from me used to use timers to control the lights in his home on Saturdays and holidays. There were special dishes that were designed to be cooked slowly overnight in a warm oven that his family ate on those days.
Food has to be cooked before the start of the Sabbath, therefore I can't use the automatic timer on my coffee maker.
That's the point, and why you should hardly dismiss this stuff as "silly".
God is concerned about obedience down to that level of detail. Anything less and we are not holy enough to be in his presence.
Thank goodness for his Payment. But you would do well not to minimize its magnitude, which I think you do when you ridicule honest attempts to adhere to His Law.
I like that. It's always been my impression that Rabbis prefer to interpret religious law in such a way so as to avoid dumb results. But that's just me.
good post thanks!
I can't complain about curious gentiles, considering my wife was once one. She got so curious that she converted. 8>)
Well, congratulations for sinking to the same level of ridicule and oversimplification as AppyPappy and others. I was hoping that one side of this argument could stay above that.
GLad I am not under The Law.
I imagine there's a well flushed-out body of Rabbinical law that defines what "cook" means, in this context?
I attempted to demonstrate that such rabbinical interpretation was necessary.
I'm surprised it took as long as it did, this time.
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