Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro
Please be aware that there are restrictions in the use of ovens and stoves on the Sabbath and Holidays. If you are unfamiliar with the laws of keeping food warm on the Sabbath or cooking on the Holidays, please call your Rabbi. Please note that when the Holiday and Sabbath coincide, the Sabbath laws prevail. See your owner's manual for instructions on operating the Sabbath mode. Before first use of a new oven be sure to wash the racks and interior of the oven thoroughly with warm water and soap to remove any coating oil.
COOKTOPS:
On the Sabbath, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off.
On the Sabbath, a "blech" should be used to cover the flame in addition to covering the controls of the cooktop. For the gas burners and coiled electric burners, use a standard "blech". The manufacturer does not recommend putting a "blech" on the glass electric cooktop surface. Instead, just the controls should be covered.
On the Holidays, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated or turned completely off. For gas cooktops, raise and lower the temperature as required for cooking. For electric cooktops adjusting the temperature is permitted at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
During a power failure, gas cooktops will remain on, whereas electric cooktops will shut off and remain off when the power returns.
The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover. For the rest of the year, be sure to wipe the cooking surface clean between meat and dairy use.
OVENS:
The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
These ovens have a timed bake feature in the Sabbath mode. This feature can only be initiated before the Sabbath/Holiday. Once timed bake goes off, the oven cannot be used again for that Sabbath/Holiday.
These ovens have a delay start feature in the Sabbath mode. For use on the Sabbath, all food must be in the oven before the Sabbath begins.
After recovery from a power failure, all these ovens will stay off. They will remain in the Sabbath mode, however, there will be no cooking capability.
WARMING DRAWERS:
The drawer temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the drawer controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
Food should be placed in the warming drawer before the Sabbath begins, as in a regular oven, since none may be placed in the drawer during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the drawer may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the drawer may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.
If the power fails when the warming drawer is ON, when the power returns, the drawer will return to its previous ON setting.
BAKE-N-WARM™ OVENS:
The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
Food should be placed in the Bake-n-Warm™ oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
After recovery from a power failure, these Bake & Warm™ ovens will stay off.
But Leviticus 18:22 is not important?
Your historical splitting of Karaite hairs may be true, but just remember...
We are all god's children !
Oznaim L'Torah on our parsha, 22:18. Why does Hashem approve of a gentile's korbon, even that of an idol worshiper? Rav Sorotzkin first restates an idea mentioned earlier, that this non-Jew is exhibiting faith in Hashem as the Supreme Ruler, despite his general worship of idols. If so, why not commend the sacrifice of an idolatrous Jew as well? The Oznaim L'Torah quotes the famous words of the Rama, Rav Moshe Isserles, in Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 156:1. "They (the gentiles) are not warned against shituf (pairing up idols with their worship of Hashem)". In other words, it seems from this Rama that the prohibition of idolatry for a non-Jew is if he EXCHANGES G-d for graven images. If he merely JOINS paganistic rites with his service of the Creator, he is not necessarily violating the commandments incumbent on him. This halacha is hotly debated (see Aruch Hashulchan who says it relates only to oaths of shituf, also see numerous sources brought in Shailos Uteshuvos V'shav Hakohen section 38), but this is what the Rama himself states, based on an earlier source. With this in mind, our matter becomes magnificently clear. A non-Jew, a ben Noach, is permitted to practice shituf according to this Rama. True, he is making a grave error in believing that idols have any power at all. But he still feels that Hashem is to be exalted and worshipped. Consequently, his korbon is accepted. On the other hand, it is well-known that a Jew is strictly forbidden to practice any form of idolatry, including shituf, a combined worship of Hashem and another god. Thus, the korbon of such a Jew is rejected.
Now you will understand better my question. It would seem A Xtian can still be keeper of the 7 mitzvot of the Noachide law and is not necessarily avodah zarah.
So am I reading this right?
Did you used to post here as Bandaneira?
Yes.
Sounds like some sort of tropical rum a pirate might once have drunk, non ?
"Traditional Christianity turns the 'Law' on its head and makes obedience to G-d's loving instructions to be something bad, and the rejection of His instructions to be something good."
Can we say, for the sake of discussion, that there are two entities descended from Judaism: Christianity and Christendom. Let us define Christendom as that group often referred to as "Traditional Christianity" making Christianity the group who follow the Way, as in, "I am the Way the Truth and the Life; no man comes to the Father but by me."
In Isaiah 62:11 it is written: Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed Unto the end of the earth: Say ye to the daughter of Zion: "Behold, thy salvation cometh; Behold, His reward is with Him." What is the Hebrew word translated salvation? Do the pronouns His and Him refer back to the salvation which cometh? Why do you think that Christianity does not believe this verse?
Yeshua haMashiach was asked: "What is the great commandment?" He answered: "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." As the Law was important to Him, so it is important to those who follow Him. So, though Christendom may "turn the Law on its head" Christianity seeks to know the Law as it appears in the Tanakh. We wish to know the words of the prophets, so that we may know the will of HaShem.
When I ask questions, no matter how impertinent they seem, it is to make all of us think. Only by keeping the Word in our minds and our hearts can we ever hope to know what the Creator and Father of us all would that we do to glorify Him. I am a believer who follows the Way. And I believe that the Sabbath begins as the sun sets on Friday evening and the First day begins at the same hour on Saturday. Neither of us should look down upon the other for keeping or not keeping either day.
May He who neither slumbers nor sleeps hold you in the palm of His hand. May you one day wake to see Him face to face.
Thanks for the reply.
A good book on this subject, which I refer to often, is...
"The Mitzvot - The Commandments and their Rationale"
by Abraham Chill.
(Keter Publishing House - Urim Publications, Jerusalem.)
He answered: "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart.."
IMO, you left out the MOST important part he stated.. that is, "Hear O Isreal, the Lord is one" That concept is the very center teaching of all of the scriptures, and the rest of the statement is empty without it.
"the Sadducee sect became extinct after the Roman destruction of Judea"
True. But did the Pharisees recognize them as fellow Jews at the time? They had sharp disagreement, but I've never read that one was rejected by the other as being Jewish.
I wouldn't go that far. I'd say the difference between Karaites and the rest of Jews is about that between Catholics and the various Protestant churches. A significantly different take on Judaism, but still Jewish.
LOL!
Show me where He said that and I will agree that I left it out by accident. But as He did not say that in the passage referred to, the omission was correct and deliberate.
The Karaites split off from the main faith of Judaism just as Christianity did. They are not any more Jewish than Seventh Day Adventists.
1. Do you consider Conservative/Masorti and Reform/Liberal Rabbinates to be Jewish?
2. Wouldn't the Samaritans/Shomronim, who are clearly not Jewish, be a better example? They broke with Judaism, as opposed to Christian sects, that broke from other Christian sects.
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