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To: sawdust

Much of what he says here is true.


11 posted on 05/17/2005 6:21:51 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Yes it is, but I'm a bit puzzled by his comment about social and cultural issues when he says "They are indifferent to those moral issues because they see them — and correctly — as no longer popular, no longer the majority positions that they used to be," he says. "They say, 'Let's put those off the table and focus on the issues where we still have a majority — strong national defense and cutting taxes.'"

He says this right after discussing the popular revolt against gay marriage/civil unions last year.

I think it is true that the Left's domination and conrol of opinion-forming outlets like the mainstream media, Hollywood, and education at all levels has had an effect of pushing the country leftwards on some cultural and social issues, and the advance of the homosexual agenda is one of those areas. But, most polls still show overwhelming opposition to gay marriage, and gay marriage bans are undefeated in statewide ballot initiatives, even when they include bans on the allegedly more centrist civil unions.

There is variance in the polls of course. A recent Boston Globe poll put opposition at only 50%, but I don't believe that one for a minute as most others put it much higher, and it goes against other recent polling that has shown support for the Federal Marriage Amendment to be at all-time highs. And of course much depends on the area, or state in question. Just looks at the percentages these gay marriage bans have passed by. It hasn't even been close yet.

So I completely understand pessimism on the gay marriage/civil unions front if one believes, as I do, that the Sup Court will eventually impose them and the GOP/Congress/President will do nothing about it; but I don't understand implying, as Buchanan seems to do here, that the pro-traditional marriage side has lost majority support of the people, because that clearly is not the case as of now.


62 posted on 05/17/2005 7:35:34 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: samtheman

Yes, what Pat said is true, and that is why the cheerleaders here hate to hear it.

For some reason, there is a large group of people here who don't seem to care about the direction the nation is going; all they care to hear is Democrat bashing, blind to the fact Republicans are no longer conservative as a whole.

Ask them to name some TRUE conservatives in the Senate and you will stump them. Is Tancredo the only pro-American nationalist in the House?

Republicans have gone liberal as a party and the cheeerleaders here are blind to that.


212 posted on 05/17/2005 5:04:38 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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