Posted on 05/17/2005 6:15:46 AM PDT by sawdust
Pat Buchanan speaks of American conservatism in the past tense. "The conservative movement has passed into history," says the one-time White House aide, three-time presidential candidate, commentator and magazine publisher. "It doesn't exist anymore as a unifying force," he says in an interview with The Washington Times. "There are still a lot of people who are conservative, but the movement is now broken up, crumbled, dismantled." Mr. Buchanan, a former adviser to Presidents Nixon, Ford and Reagan, says conservatism "is at war with itself over foreign policy, over deficit hawks versus supply-siders." Unnamed phonies, he suggests, have infiltrated the movement. There are "a lot of people who call themselves conservative but who, on many issues, I just don't consider as conservative. They are big-government people."
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I don't. They're both fans of the GOP Big Tent crammed full of RINOs/liberals/moderates. Neither is a conservative and both have RINO traits.
You said:
People forget that if you're not working toward personal responsibility, liberty and freedom -- than you're no better than the people who you think are oppressing you. That's why I cringe when anyone talks about "moral clarity." I don't give a crap about people's morality -- as long as we're free, and their morality isn't interfering with my person or property.
I say:
The problem is, their morality is interfering with my person and property if it is corrupting the kind of society I live in. Men live in society, not by themselves on some desert island.
Your assertions are merely innuendo until you provide some basis in fact to support them. Your errant emotional assessments are of little value in any rational discussion having to do with preserving our republic.
Many are getting the distinct impression that according to the profiteering political parasites presently in charge, most Americans are too American.
Bless yore little heart, I guess you studied some on that one.
The current social conservative president has outspent them all by a large amount - even you don't count Iraq.
I don't see immigration or taxpayer-funded welfare as a social conservative issues. Again, the socially conservative GOP has done nothing in regards to either issue. Welfare is part of being fiscal conservative, not socially conservative.
Social conservatives push for the war on drugs, try to find ways to make porn illegal, try to get evolution out schools, try to get religion into schools, crusade against tv indecency and abhor lack of conformity. Those issues turn people off.
Again, welfare spending is a fiscal quality, not a social one. This socially conservative president has shown us that.
Your explanation makes sense. Thanks.
What about Michael Reagan?
Buchannon made very accurate comments.
You made a very empty emotional outburst.
I have always thought Pat makes a lot of sense on many issues. I voted for him for President in 2000. It was between him and Bush. At that point in time, I wanted a president who would concentrate more on taking care of this country and its problems.
Pat has made some very good points in this article. I am especially concerned about our borders. However, I am very proud of President Bush and I voted for him in 2004.
Yes, what Pat said is true, and that is why the cheerleaders here hate to hear it.
For some reason, there is a large group of people here who don't seem to care about the direction the nation is going; all they care to hear is Democrat bashing, blind to the fact Republicans are no longer conservative as a whole.
Ask them to name some TRUE conservatives in the Senate and you will stump them. Is Tancredo the only pro-American nationalist in the House?
Republicans have gone liberal as a party and the cheeerleaders here are blind to that.
You're in denial. I haven't been emotional at all. Just listing his views.
By not alienating the "middle" of the road people from the extreme rhetoric of Buchanan.
LOL! Perhaps so, but I'm not the one who is denying reality.
"You're in denial"
"LOL! Perhaps so, but I'm not the one who is denying reality"
Is dementia setting in?
I just saw ole Pat on Hannity and Colmes---and he was saying that Reagan was so much better than Bush, yada, yada...said that Reagan would have gone into Afghanistan, but not Iraq....
THEN, he said that neither Reagan OR CLINTON, would have allowed this country to be invaded by the Mexicans from the southern border...HUH???
Can someone, anyone tell me when Reagan and/or Clinton closed the borders to illegals?
Anyway, after he made that "enlightened" statement, it was Alan's turn, so I muted the TV...don't know what else he said!
Same excuse used for socialism. No thanks.
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