Posted on 05/16/2005 2:24:48 PM PDT by calcowgirl
If folks in the hierarchy the California Republican Party wonder why your friends avoid you, the general public won't cooperate with you during your phone surveys/solicitations and why you have worn out your welcome on this forum these two bits of vitriolic nonsense are excellent examples.
I'm going to give you a break and assume you don't know the history here, so butt out.
lmao. How conciliatory!
Amerigomag knows more about CRP history and the likes of you than you'll ever know. He doesn't have to read much to get the message either. You are that transparent, to all but yourself. Were you not such an obvious archetype, I wouldn't have bothered.
I've reviewed many of your replies since you joined FR.
From my perspective many Republican loyalists came to this forum after Bush 43 was elected in the 2000 cycle. They came with a sense that this was "their" forum. Many conservatives, especially those who were here before FR became "popular" don't share that enthusiasm.
All are welcome here but don't let your ego lead you to believe that some are more qualified than others to participate. You have seen close up and personal that Republican loyalists, especially the California variety, have worn out their welcome by repeated capitulation of their core values and hasty moderation in the face of even slight resistance.
Many conservatives find humor in the idea that Republican Party loyalist really feel that electing the Austrian Pretender was a worthy accomplishment or even "a step in the right (implied conservative) direction".
Now that mention it, I perceived some time ago that you had a little penchant for archetypes. May I suggest you buy a voodoo doll?
That's great, but I don't give rosy rat's patout about your "perspective".
Can't you just feel the love of CRP big tent Delegates reaching out to conservatives?
You and your like-minded cohorts don't seem to realize that I'm here on the same terms as everyone else -- a private individual.
So may I suggest you buy yourself some movie star magazines, or maybe even some X-rated videos. Because I can't help you.
Why the personal insults? I have no interest in those things. I am, however, interested in advancing conservatism in the Republican party... or better said, restoring conservatism to the party.
You said "I've already said everything I have to say to you." Except for one more snipe, huh?
Yeah. I've seen enough of how you cultivate ill-will to "improve" things. You just can't help yourself. Problem with people like you is that you generate discord and confusion, and then get other people in trouble -- when you're the person who instigated it all to begin with. Not a very flattering trait.
Cultivate "ill-will"? My! That's creative.
If asking for someone to justify or show support for their position is "instigation" in your book, so be it! If you think that pointing out onerous parts of legislation equates to "discord and confusion," I can only assume that you would rather have blind followers than informed voters.
I prefer to base my positions and opinions based on facts and knowledge over talking points.
Actually you got it totally @ss-backwards.
Principles are everything, and especially in politics, where it is as rare as hen's teeth. Without principle, victory is hollow, and there's not a dime's worth of difference. Those who believe in victory at any cost, even throwing principles overboard, are placing form over function, and judging books by their covers alone. California RINOs, unwilling to rock the existing status quo, hijacked the recall effort which was started by real (non-RINO, grassroots) republicans and libertarians. Arnold is a front man and puppet for special business interests, and if that's enough to win a person's loyalty, it does not say much for that person's intelligence. McClintock and his supporters did the difficult job of breaking the political trail. He spent much of his own personal time, energy, political capital, and undoubtedly personal funds in doing so. Team Arnold swooped in at the finish line with big $$, big empty superficial rhetoric, and deep pockets. Has Arnold brought the California budget under control yet, after two years? Did Arnold significantly reform anything? And if you think McClintock stole votes, you must have missed the make-nice signals McClintock was giving out en masse even after he was backstabbed by country club RINOs. They weren't subtle. I rest my case.
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btw, I and many others take the words on FR's home page to heart as well.. the political fraud and corruption area (especially re: California) has been my personal favorite posting-wise since I came here from the bowels of Yahoo chat and the Clinton Scandal days some years back.
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Principles mean nothing if you apply them in some all or nothing fashion and end up with nothing most of the time.
THe Principles can be your goal, but you have to get to that goal with electable people.
Since we can't get a person in California today elected with the Principles you would like, you have to get the one who can win the race that gets a step toward the goal of those Principles.
That was Arnold because though he is far from perfect, he was some steps toward those principles versus a Bustamante who was far worse.
McClintock was doing so poorly and had no cross over vote, so he wasn't even relevant.
Tom was in the unique position to sabotage the Republican side, which he basically did to further his career in his mind.
He sent his career in the toilet.
Yeah, Hitler was certainly electable when the German voters threw their principles away in '32 or whatever. And some folks keep bringing up the Bustamante boogeyman. Boo! All compromisers have an excuse for jettisoning their principles. Bustamante is a particularly poor one, because it never came true. Did it?! The sky is falling! Bustamante is coming! The sky is falling! Come on now. Get real. The Hegelian thesis-- antithesis-- synthesis garbage is just classic crowd control, a way to channel, harnass and deceive the masses towards elitist political, and amoral, ends. Congratulations, Mr. Guy, you fell for it hook line and sinker!
What does the dictator Hilter exactly have to do with the Democratic process where the voters have to pick a winner?
You have to get the most electable candidate in that is closest to the principles you mentioned.
Since McClintock got zero cross over votes and barely any Republican votes, in this last election Arnold was the common sense vote.
The next GOAL would be to find an electable Califonria candidate who is further right than Arnold to move the Principles closer to where you and others would like.
Again that will never be McClintock, so that is the real CA challenge, who's next?
We also need to focus on removing the Democrats in the legislature and to replace them with far more conservative people.
Again, that will take a series of steps/moves and would "never" be accomplished with a bunch of unelectable candidates with supposedly correct principles in one move.
Your Hitler stuff was of course silly, and as I said earlier, in most cases, go for all or nothing candidates and you get nothing.
Move the bar consistently in time to more and more conservative candidates and you get a long term conservative state.
Hitler was what you would term a "winner" in several politically splintered contests in the early 1930's in Germany, not unlike the situation of the recent past in California.
People in Germany were generally content with the choice of Hitler overall for the next few years.
If principles matter at all to you, then you would be more aware of the German example.
The Hitler elections led eventually to the Nuremburg trials, in which principles were held to be of penultimate importance in individual conduct in society.
Your statement that McClintock got zero cross over votes is misleading, since the (late) candidacy of AS perturbed the results. When McClintock ran for controller, he came very close to winning, gaining more than his fair share of votes in a Democrat Party dominated state, and he did it without any significant help from the Republican Party regulars at the state and federal levels, who for whatever reasons had apparently written him off at that time.
McClintock's underlying message has not changed over the years, as has other politicians' messages.
Therefore his underlying support and political viability also remains intact (with all due respect to your opinions...).
You should not capitalize "Democratic" in "Democratic elections" since you are referring to the Democratic Party when you do. People don't customarily capitalize other nouns such as "Principles" in the middle of a sentence, at least since Isaac Newton's time. Also, "Califonria" is spelled "California."
And your criticism is totally negative, since you provide no alternatives to McClintock. So you really don't have any solid argument to make at all.
California is the first of 50 states to ban 50 calibre single shot weapons. AS has had negligible effect on stopping the bloated state spending. Who is really moving the bar, and how? If you have not heard of the boiling frog analogy, do a google search and inform yourself. AS is no conservative, no matter how hard you might wish to apply the label. He is merely a less radical liberal, and his direction is towards socialism, not towards a more politically conservative state (ignoring the rhetoric and watching the actions, something that some people in this forum have a difficult time doing lately).
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Well the plan right now is to import illegal aliens, destroy America, letting the middle class and low wage income earners think they’re really schmart…
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