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Tom McClintock: To understand education budget, start with math
Los Angeles Daily News ^ | May 15, 2005 | Tom McClintock

Posted on 05/16/2005 2:24:48 PM PDT by calcowgirl

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To: A CA Guy
I think he betrayed us at our expense last election.

What state was that? I ask because here in California, Tom McClintock was the ONLY one who stood up for Republican values and conservative principles. You must have been watching a different election.

101 posted on 05/16/2005 8:14:42 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: calcowgirl

That's what you can do when you have more money and guts, than sense!!!


102 posted on 05/16/2005 8:14:46 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The "Heritage Oaks" in the Sierra-Nevada Conservancy are full of parasitic GovernMental mistletoe!!!)
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To: dalereed

Sorry to hear that. See my #102, below.


103 posted on 05/16/2005 8:18:54 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The "Heritage Oaks" in the Sierra-Nevada Conservancy are full of parasitic GovernMental mistletoe!!!)
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To: A CA Guy
At this point, even if someone waved a magic wand and made him somehow electable, he is still undependable as a conservative team player.

LOL!

But let's wave the magic wand and elect him LT Governor - the one office where he can't do any real damage.

104 posted on 05/16/2005 10:54:54 PM PDT by Penner
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To: A CA Guy
First, how does the union get the right to send notes home to anyone? Isn't this against the law on several levels?

You don't think the teachers are wasting their valuable time teaching do you? They have time to take care of the union duties because they all have teacher aides watch movies with the children.

105 posted on 05/16/2005 11:05:52 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

I think the teacher's UNION has the time to do lots of nefarious things, but to then make notes that they have the teachers send home seems to me to be highly illegal.


106 posted on 05/16/2005 11:35:15 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Penner

He really doesn't deserve ANY office in government after the shenanigans of the last governor's race.

I used to think he only needed to get himself marketed better around the state to become successful, but after the last race, I realized he'd be dangerous with more power and his lack of response to the Republican party in California was astonishing. He's really burned any bridges he had IMO.

I like dog catcher for him.


107 posted on 05/16/2005 11:38:12 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

What McClintock was standing on you usually need a shovel to remove.

His betrayal of Republicans in the governor's race when even they told him to step down was not standing up for anything conservative at all. It was an enabling of the Democrat party by attempting to spit the conservative vote.

Had Arnold not been a popular and incredible vote generator, McClintock would have gotten Bustamante elected with his actions.


108 posted on 05/16/2005 11:42:51 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SierraWasp

Yeah, but it's a ping the tail on the spoiler list.


109 posted on 05/16/2005 11:43:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Had you been present at the time of the race, you could have heard Issa yourself all over local radio and TV.

The whole state knows how bad McClintock was no matter how you try and re-wrap this turkey of a candidate.

He's not honorable and that is my biggest gripe with him.

He should probably run as a libertarian with the typical 1% of the vote.


110 posted on 05/16/2005 11:48:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge

There are politicians who's lust for personal ambition exceeds what is good for the people.
What Tom McClintock put on display here in the CA election for Gov showed he has major ambitions that are personal at everyone else's expense. In addition, he has a low likability problem.

If Tom runs for major state offices, he all but hands the elections to Democrats IMO.
At this point, even if someone waved a magic wand and made him somehow electable, he is still undependable as a conservative team player.

We need to go back to the barrel and get better candidates.

That aside, if he brings up and issue and it gets discussed, GOOD!


111 posted on 05/16/2005 11:49:22 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: RightField

"World Languages" indeed!
When did Foreign Language becoming WORLD Language?
More PC speak?


112 posted on 05/16/2005 11:51:51 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: calcowgirl
A large part of the problem, and I am sorry to say it has been replicated in miniature on this thread, is that the level of political discussion itself has been devalued over the years.

Many years ago, one could honestly conduct a political debate and use math as a tool to illustrate the consequences of decisions in dollars and cents.

Now, there is no such discussion, and the lack of such discussion is perhaps helped by the mainstream media, which glorifies emotionalism over logic.

Nothing is wrong with McClintock or his message.

The problem is communication and educating the voting public, which has been dumbed down to vote with anything but their brains.

And by the way, this problem is self perpetuating in the sense that most public school teachers, administrators, and Ed School profs have math phobia and pass it down to young students in elementary school. By junior high, those students' attitudes are set, and unfortunately it may be that a majority of people in the state have gone through the public school system and are now cast in this mold. They join what is probably a minority of older folks who should know better but don't, and also let their emotions dictate their decisions. No doubt, it's something both major parties and the media are aware of and don't hesitate to use to their own advantage when it serves their interests.

113 posted on 05/17/2005 12:23:32 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

I respectfully disagree with you.

Before the last election, I thought McClintock was a good conservative man who was kind of rotten at self marketing.

The events of the last election where he stayed in with Arnold to split the conservative vote has me deeply against him now.
McClintock had no way of knowing what he did would have not gotten Bustamante in power. He for sure knew before election day that there were greater chances for snowballs in hell than if him getting elected.
He had the Republican party of CA ask him to get out and he didn't do so.
I think he equally deserves our deaf ear on every election he ever goes for in the future.
IMO he proves himself disloyal, not a team player and scary.
I base this on the facts surrounding his behavior in the governor's election and NOT emotion.


114 posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:02 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy; calcowgirl
Had you been present at the time of the race, you could have heard Issa yourself all over local radio and TV.

As I told you, I don't care what Issa said.

The whole state knows how bad McClintock was no matter how you try and re-wrap this turkey of a candidate.

Prove it. I just heard from a unionized teacher who LOVED this letter. Further, The Field Poll just before the recall election had McClintock with the highest favorable ratings of any of the recall candidates:

Meantime, McClintock's favorable went from 28% to 53%, even as his support for the race stalled and then dropped in the last week. His favorable rating is higher than any of the candidates and his unfavorable is lower...but he is in third place.

This suggests that voters think more highly of McClintock than they do of Schwarzenegger, but they will vote for Schwarzenegger anyway.

You are full of it, CACA Guy. The only reason he lost is the "he can't win" crap from cowards like you. Now all you can do is to try to find fault.

He's not honorable and that is my biggest gripe with him.

You have failed to prove it, citing only Darryl Issa's personal statements, which could easily have arisen from a misunderstanding. McClintock has called him a liar, publicly. IMO, you are seeking justification for your opposition during the recall and this is all you could latch onto. Pretty thin.

115 posted on 05/17/2005 12:41:50 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: calcowgirl
A great article. There may be some small holes here and there, but the jist of this analysis rings true.

I've had my issues with Tom McC in the past, but I think (hope) he's shaping up well to be a great Lt. Gov candidate.

116 posted on 05/17/2005 12:46:06 AM PDT by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: SteveH
And by the way, this problem is self perpetuating in the sense that most public school teachers, administrators, and Ed School profs have math phobia and pass it down to young students in elementary school.

Correct. The teachers blame the parents, not realizing that the parents themselves largely products of public schools. There is no excuse.

I home educate my kids. They are both doing college level math as pre-teens. One has nearly completed calculus at the age of twelve. Third grade math was the key.

117 posted on 05/17/2005 12:46:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie
You have failed to prove it

Tom McClintock did that nicely "for me" the last election by his deeds which spoke very loudly to Republicans and the people of California.

118 posted on 05/17/2005 12:47:27 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: calcowgirl

I like this guy !


119 posted on 05/17/2005 12:49:09 AM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

So did Bustamante.


120 posted on 05/17/2005 12:51:08 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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