[GraniteStateConservative]

But the Darth Vader we see at the end of Revenge of the Sith hasn't been seduced. He's been tricked. He's not a villain. He's a schmuck.

The problem is that Vader never was a superior villain. He never tried to vanquish The Emperor (or this President guy John talks about) so he could be the undisputed heavyweight bad guy champion of the world, so to speak. That's what makes a great villain. He has to be fearless-- just like a great hero. It's all about sides of the mirror-- the same, but opposite.

[eyespysomething]

Qui Gon Jinn (sp) said in Star Wars I that Anakin was the chosen one. He's ultimately the good guy because he kills the Emperor at the end of the Empire Strikes Back.

Darth Vader/Anakin was the chosen one, it just didn't work out like everyone (in the fictional Star Wars world) thought it would.

My 9 year old and my 30 something yr old husband can't wait.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

The problem is that Vader never was a superior villain. He never tried to vanquish The Emperor...

He was a different kind of villian. The nature of the Force would not permit him to vanquish The Emperor.

From "Return of The Jedi":
Skywalker: "Release me. I can sense the good in you even now."
Vader: "You don't know the powerrr of the Dark Side. I must obey my Master."

This is why his ultimate rebellion against The Empreror near the end of the film was such a big deal. It simply wasn't enough for him to admit that there was still some good within him. He had to deny all that he was and had been for the last 20 years to be able to even entertain the thought of rebelling against his Master.

[lmr]

The problem is that Vader never was a superior villain

Vader had asked Luke to join him because the Emperor foresaw his own destruction by Luke in Return Of The Jedi. As Vader put it, "We can rule the galaxy as father and son."

Vader may have become the "Superior Villain" if Luke would have joined him.

What I always thought was cool about Darth Vader, he was strictly business. He was just trying to take over and control the galaxy, and he wasn't about to let anyone get in his way. His whole obsession with this made him evil and the fact that he was mostly machine as Obi-Wan himself put it in the original "Twisted and Evil"