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State Secret: Thousands Secretly Sterilized
ABC ^ | 5/16/05

Posted on 05/16/2005 4:51:32 AM PDT by KidGlock

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To: wolfpat

She could adopt?

That is you solution?


41 posted on 05/16/2005 5:21:11 AM PDT by KidGlock (Get in the pit and try to love some one)
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To: OpusatFR

How is this recycling the news?

The state of NC is currently considering a bill to provide financial reparations.


42 posted on 05/16/2005 5:22:37 AM PDT by KidGlock (Get in the pit and try to love some one)
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To: Paige

Kind of amazing that they let a 13 year old keep the child. There's something missing here...someone who might know more. Did her mother recently die (The one person that knew the real story?)


43 posted on 05/16/2005 5:22:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: KidGlock

Raped and then labeled promiscuous and feeble minded. Gotta love liberal rape crisis therapy back in the day.


44 posted on 05/16/2005 5:22:51 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: AliVeritas
I grew up poor in the South, thank God I made it thru with my ovaries intact.
45 posted on 05/16/2005 5:24:09 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Sacajaweau

Why is it amazing?


46 posted on 05/16/2005 5:24:39 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: SouthernFreebird

Yeah no kidding :(


47 posted on 05/16/2005 5:25:10 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: KidGlock

This may not be the most popular sentiment of all time, but I think chronic welfare recipients, at some point, should be given the option of subcutaneous implant contraceptives (like Norplant) or get the heck off the system. Welfare as a husband is not a good plan to raise a family.

For more information on better living and less taxation through chemistry follow this link: http://www.indiana.edu/~health/norplant.html


48 posted on 05/16/2005 5:25:27 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Fun Fact: Did you know that NEWSWEEK has killed more people than Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile?)
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To: AliVeritas

I am amazed at the comments here.

I thought this thread would be a discussion of Planned Parenthood, Margret Sanger, etc.

But we have "conservatives" here defending the practice.

Ugh!


49 posted on 05/16/2005 5:26:42 AM PDT by KidGlock (Get in the pit and try to love some one)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Optional but not without people even knowing it... besides this lady was raped. What does welfare have to do with this story.


50 posted on 05/16/2005 5:26:45 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: KidGlock

I'm sure Democrats will say that since it took place in North Carolina it must be a program insidiously carried out by Christian fundamentalists or something. People like Planned Parenthood advocates and such -- all disciples of the Great Eugenicist Margaret Sanger -- can't bring themselves to explain what they're actually up to, but it's ure easier to hand out condoms and secure free abortions than what they did between '24 and '74. Giving freebies to the poor is seen as a good thing, even saintly, but they'd get bad press for sterilization without consent.

They're playing the same games, just a different way.


51 posted on 05/16/2005 5:28:08 AM PDT by HowardDeanScream08
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To: KidGlock

Also tired of the media attributing wrongs to "America" or "this country", as if it was an integral part of the nation's fabric.


52 posted on 05/16/2005 5:28:29 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Perseverando
Actually, Sterilizing some people isn't such a bad idea.


Not from a Eugenics standpoint. No one has the right to make that call and label anyone else undesirable. But If a woman on welfare has a third child out of wedlock she should be sterilized and so should the father.
53 posted on 05/16/2005 5:28:38 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Where were you when Tom Delay demanded justice!)
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To: Sacajaweau

It may not be easy to understand, but for some people, having their own child is vitally important.

My wife and I have one child now and one on the way. Having the first one was difficult enough. I've always thought if we could not have any children that we could always adopt. My wife seriously disagrees with that line of thinking. For her, adoption is not an option. She wants her own children. I'm not sure I completely understand why but I respect her wishes.


54 posted on 05/16/2005 5:28:59 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: KidGlock
Well, we don't have a magic wand to undo what was done. She implies that the real damage was the inability to have children. What's wrong with adoption?
55 posted on 05/16/2005 5:29:16 AM PDT by wolfpat (dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
welfare recipients, at some point, should be given the option of subcutaneous implant contraceptives (like Norplant) or get the heck off the system

Yes, if it's a choice of the recipient. Not if Big Brother makes that decision.

56 posted on 05/16/2005 5:29:31 AM PDT by KidGlock (Get in the pit and try to love some one)
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To: alloysteel

The Democrats have never lost control of North Carolina, at the state level. The current state legislature is filled with Democrats and RINOs. I've lived almost my whole life just over the border from Charlotte, NC, and I've seen it all.


57 posted on 05/16/2005 5:32:16 AM PDT by HowardDeanScream08
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To: WorkingClassFilth


I agree. Of course in this case, we both agree it's unacceptable. And I don't care how stupid or ignorant someone is, no one has the right to make the call that they shouldn't have children.

But yes, if you take excessive aid from the state for multiple children born out of wedlock, I think sterilization is a good idea.


58 posted on 05/16/2005 5:32:24 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Where were you when Tom Delay demanded justice!)
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To: wolfpat
What's wrong with a financial reparation?

If a doctor in private practice sterilized women without their knowledge or consent, he would get sued. (and probably jailed)

Why should the government be treated more favorably?
59 posted on 05/16/2005 5:33:39 AM PDT by KidGlock (Get in the pit and try to love some one)
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To: cyborg

The Perquimans County Department of Public Welfare took custody of Jessie and her seven siblings. They sent five of the children to an orphanage an hour's drive away in Oxford. Jessie and another sister were sent to live with their grandmother, just down the street from their parents' home. That house, too, was dilapidated and crowded.

Shortly after moving in with her grandmother, Jessie said, an older man impregnated her. She was 13.

"All I remember is that it hurt," she said.

Jessie's grandmother, Maggie "Miss Peaches" Woodard, was on welfare, and her social worker learned during a routine visit that Jessie was pregnant. The white social worker with the county welfare department, the late Marion Payne, pressed Woodard to consent to have Jessie sterilized. Finally, Woodard, who is illiterate, signed her "X" on a consent form.

"I didn't know what I was signing," Woodard, 86, said recently. But she said Payne told her that if she didn't sign, Jessie would have to go live in an orphanage.

http://extras.journalnow.com/againsttheirwill/parts/one/printstory2.html

The biannual eugenics board report for 1966 to 1968 shows that 99 percent of the operations were performed on women; 64 percent of those were on black women. From 1929 to 1940, the ratio had been almost the opposite - an overall racial split of 79 percent white and 21 percent black.


60 posted on 05/16/2005 5:34:23 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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