[agere_contra]

If Ms Rees thinks that the big deal about Columbus was that he thought the world was round, then she's clearly no scholar.

Everybody knew that in Columbus's time. He thought the radius of the earth was smaller than it is, and so was emboldened to go looking for China (and found Cuba, if I remember correctly)

[SpaceBar]

I read Gavin Menzies book "1421: The Year China Discovered America" about a year ago and found it fascinating. It may not pass muster with professional anthropologists or historians insofar as rigor, but makes a very compelling argument nonetheless that China circumnavigated the globe and spread their culture whist the Portuguese were still hanging around the north coast of Africa and waiting for a suitable clock to measure longitude. A few coincidences here and there might make one think Menzies is a crackpot, but the large number of peculiar and interesting observations he makes gives his interpretation some credence.

[pyx]

Rees’ maps are actually Korean and date to the 16th century, but she believes they are replicas of Chinese maps dating to 2200 B.C.

That would be convenient and would even support her hypothesis. Now, if Napolean had only had a few F18's, a couple of aircraft carriers with support ships and a handful of boomer submarines, we'd all be speaking dead languages like the frogs...

[skinkinthegrass]

Oh! No!..The ChiCOMs will claim North/South America as theirs, like they claim Taiwan. /s off.

[Wonder Warthog]

"“The Harris collection of maps will, in the long run, cause an even more fundamental and agonizing (sic) reappraisal of American history than my book has,” he wrote.

In 1975, Harris’ book, “The Asiatic Fathers of America,” was published in Taiwan. He claimed the Chinese discovered America between 2650 and 2200 B.C."

What balderdash! The difference between the Chinese and Viking "discoveries" of America and the Spanish was that the first two didn't stick around. The Spanish (and later English) did.

Probablity is that the Egyptians beat all of them to the "discovery" part of the equation.

[Arkie2]

Of course the Chinese discovered America. You need look no further than the San Francisco area to see remnants of the once great empire in America. Even the name of the colony, China Town, still bears witness to their early conquest of this continent.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

“I’m ready for opposition,” said Rees, who lives in Forest. “Even when Columbus was saying the world was round, he had opposition.”

“There are periods of time when people lose knowledge,” Rees said, citing the Dark Ages as an example in Western history.

Standard nonsense history from Rees concerning the history of the west.

However, its probably true the Chinese did come across the ocean, just as it is also likely that others like the Phoenicians did (how hard could it be if the Vikings made it in their primitive crafts?). There are too many good old maps pre-1500 showing the Americas, Antarctica, and Australia, as Charles Hapgood pointed out.

[Smokin' Joe]

So America is just another rogue province? NOT!

I bet they found people living here when they came ashore.

[Smokin' Joe]

“There are periods of time when people lose knowledge,” Rees said, citing the Dark Ages as an example in Western history.

imho, one need not look back that far...

[doc30]

Since the Chinese discovered America first, they now have a historical claim. America is no a renegade province that must accept rule from Beijin. To impose it's will, China will make long terms plans to hold American capital and displace local American manufacturing in otrder to make America dependent on the Chinese for imports America no longer produces. Wait, that's already happened.

[NYCRebublican]

1st, Asians were the first to arrive here. We call them Native Americans. They have their own indigenous names..

2nd, If seafaring Chinese arrived here anytime pre-columbus, it's interesting, but not relevant to how we view history. It's Columbus' discovery that led to the westernization of the continent. If the Chinese were here prior to that time period, they came and they left.

[myheroesareDeadandRegistered]

You are aware that the Chicoms have used less evidence than this to "reunite" a "breakaway province" before. :)

[WoofDog123]

"Whether Zheng He sailed to America, Rees points to evidence that one-quarter million Chinese went to sea about 1100 B.C. at the end of the Shang Dynasty, and most never came back. If you look at Olmec writing, some of the characters seem virtually identical to Chinese. She said she believes the Olmec - the ancient people of Mexico - were Chinese."

Do the ethnic olmec still exist, or their descendants? If so, DNA testing of them or the ethnic people living in their historical area might provide some clues about this.

[gregwest]

Interesting correlation to an account in the Book of Mormon of a group that migrated to the Americas around 2200 B.C. LDS scholar Dr. Hugh Nibley examined historical, anthropological, and archaeological similarities in his book:

Lehi in the Desert/The World of the Jaredites/There Were Jaredites, Vol 5; Deseret Books; ISBN 0875791328 (Hardcover, 1988)

GW

[sandydipper]

Ah so!!

[evets]

Did they arrive by the 'Sea of China'?

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