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Proof That Liberals and Environmental Wackos Don't Know What They're Doing
MND ^ | Saturday, May 14, 2005 | Will Malven

Posted on 05/15/2005 9:37:28 AM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy

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To: ASOC
I'll admit being pretty much against nukes, if, for no other reason, the cost of waste disposal...the power looks cheap because a favorite Uncle picks up the tab.

Actually, I think there is a tax of 0.1 cents per kwh on nuclear power, and that tax is used to pay for waste disposal. On the other hand, the waste from burning coal is just released into the air where it kills 24,000 U.S. citizens each year.

21 posted on 05/15/2005 10:53:21 AM PDT by grundle
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

The liberal media will grant the title of "environmentalist" to anyone without them having to produce credentials or facts of any kind as long as they are attacking the right.


22 posted on 05/15/2005 10:55:13 AM PDT by NCnodeLOGICBOMB (Noise is a byproduct of inefficiency.)
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To: Bonaparte

Are you certain you can brain wash a liberal? First they must have a brain and remembering the great unwashed of the 60's, I still have my doubts about the washing requirement.


23 posted on 05/15/2005 11:27:34 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (My US Army daughter out shot everybody in her basic training company.)
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To: kdot

It's (EGAD!!) the French who have it right and the Germans who have it hopelessly wrong.


24 posted on 05/15/2005 12:00:14 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

Environmentalists, I've seen them called here in the past by a very appropriate name, are Watermelons, green on the outside and red on the inside.

BTW be sure to thank Jane Fondue for helping the Watermelon Anti-Nuke cause with her trash film China-Syndrome.


25 posted on 05/15/2005 12:14:29 PM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: cripplecreek
"Nuclear energy is the one thing the europeans have been right about and American liberals don't want to listen to them."

Excellent point, cripplecreek. Shows their hypocrisy.

Char :)

26 posted on 05/15/2005 12:19:49 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Not gonna be happy until the Hillster is sent packing.)
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To: Bonaparte

>>The "last resort" would be the energy sources proposed by the leftists I conversed with last night -- wind and solar. They actually believe that these sources can meet a modern society's energy needs.

It never ceases to amaze me, how many attempt to expound on energy policy, who do not have the vaguest hazy hint of clue on basic Thermodynamics nor Economics.


27 posted on 05/15/2005 12:24:11 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Official Ruling Class Oligarch Oppressor)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy

From Fact Sheet on the Accident at Three Mile Island

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/3mile-isle.html

The average exposure to everyone in the area was equal to 1/6th of a routine chest x-ray. The Maximum dose someone would have gotten staying NEXT TO the site for the entire time was equal to the natural background radiation for 1 year.

"Health Effects"

"Detailed studies of the radiological consequences of the accident have been conducted by the NRC, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (now Health and Human Services), the Department of Energy, and the State of Pennsylvania. Several independent studies have also been conducted. Estimates are that the average dose to about 2 million people in the area was only about 1 millirem. To put this into context, exposure from a full set of chest x-rays is about 6 millirem. Compared to the natural radioactive background dose of about 100-125 millirem per year for the area, the collective dose to the community from the accident was very small. The maximum dose to a person at the site boundary would have been less than 100 millirem."

"In the months following the accident, although questions were raised about possible adverse effects from radiation on human, animal, and plant life in the TMI area, none could be directly correlated to the accident. Thousands of environmental samples of air, water, milk, vegetation, soil, and foodstuffs were collected by various groups monitoring the area. Very low levels of radionuclides could be attributed to releases from the accident. However, comprehensive investigations and assessments by several well-respected organizations have concluded that in spite of serious damage to the reactor, most of the radiation was contained and that the actual release had negligible effects on the physical health of individuals or the environment."

Never let the facts get in the way of a good environmental jihad...


28 posted on 05/15/2005 12:30:51 PM PDT by muffaletaman
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To: FreedomPoster
It is amazing. Last night, I tried talking to them about comparative MWe outputs, how it would take 184 square miles of land to support the necessary 9 MWe wind generators to equal the ouput of just one 1000 MWe plant, etc. Their eyes just glazed over and all they could respond with was more screaming hysteria and personal epithets. Almost all of them had at least bacalaureate degrees and some even had science background. Just pitiful.
29 posted on 05/15/2005 12:34:18 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte

"I was in a drinking establishment near Berkeley last night and..."

Nice. I wish I could have seen their faces.


30 posted on 05/15/2005 12:37:01 PM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: Flightdeck

As the "conversation" continued, they were looking at eachother for group reinforcement of their common bias far more than they were looking at me. Most of them were avoiding eye contact with me, except of course when shouting and attacking -- after which, the screamer would immediately look at the other members of his hive for mutually self-congratulatory smiles of approval. Any one of them would have been to destroy in a formal public debate. One guy's eyes were simply popping out of his head. He looked maniacal, like he needed a valium IV started right freaking now.


31 posted on 05/15/2005 12:42:52 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Flightdeck
Oops!

"would have been to destroy" should read "would have been easy to destroy"

32 posted on 05/15/2005 12:43:47 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte

Hey, Bonaparte - its been a while!

Link to a report from Oak Ridge Natl Labs on radioactivity relative to coal power plants.

An interesting note - the radioactive elements released and captured in the ash from coal burning powerplants (three fractions, processed) has 1.5X MORE energy potential than the coal burned!

http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html

Despite that, it barely adds to the background level, but over a long period of time - decades to centuries of coal burning - it could become a factor...


33 posted on 05/15/2005 12:45:50 PM PDT by muffaletaman
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To: muffaletaman

Good to hear from you, m! And thanks for the link. It's pathetic how little factual evidence is brought to the energy table by the left. They're very lucky that there is so much resistance to their pet initiatives like Kyoto. If all that were implemented, they would be sooooo unhappy with the impoverishment they would have to endure -- no more sipping of lattes, shopping sprees at their gourmet ghettos or regular pick-ups of their carefully sorted recyclable refuse -- the trucks would be unable to bring anything to them or take anything away. They would get an unexpected crash course in 18th century living -- especially when they required the benefit of modern hospital care.


34 posted on 05/15/2005 12:54:08 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: ASOC
How about this:

Coal and Nuclear go hand in hand.

Coal ash has a high level of radioactive isotopes. This is due to the removal of the hydrocarbons (by burning) and the resultant high concentration of metals.

There has been talk, that if Coal use increased, it could then be cost effective to process the ash for the radioactive isotopes that could then be used to fuel the reactors.

And, may I add, very effectively reduce our dependency on oil-hydrocarbons.

35 posted on 05/15/2005 2:10:12 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: grundle

That's a pretty specific number, where did you find it? EPA?

thx


36 posted on 05/15/2005 4:55:00 PM PDT by ASOC (Land of the Free BECAUSE of the Brave)
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To: grundle

heh?

I'll have to look into that- if so, Yucca Mt is just about paid for...

Thanks for the info.


37 posted on 05/15/2005 5:00:24 PM PDT by ASOC (Land of the Free BECAUSE of the Brave)
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To: ASOC

I don't remember where I read it. That's why I said "I think."


38 posted on 05/16/2005 8:52:03 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle
No poke at you, but I get suspicious of "numbers" 2000000 killed by "second hand smoke", 5 bajillion died from 'fat' and so on. And round numbers really make me look twice, three and maybe four times.

Some numbers I will generally take at face value - for example - 230 gr X 900 fps = one dead terr....and so one. As these have been demonstrated and are a matter of general knowledge one can readily find, they are a bit more accepted.
39 posted on 05/16/2005 9:03:44 PM PDT by ASOC (Land of the Free BECAUSE of the Brave)
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