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Liberal Bible-Thumping
The New York Times ^ | 15 MAY 2005 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 05/15/2005 1:42:01 AM PDT by rdb3

The New York Times


May 15, 2005

Liberal Bible-Thumping

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Even aside from his arguments that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and that St. Paul was a self-hating gay, the new book by a former Episcopal bishop of Newark is explosive.

John Shelby Spong, the former bishop, tosses a hand grenade into the cultural wars with "The Sins of Scripture," which examines why the Bible - for all its message of love and charity - has often been used through history to oppose democracy and women's rights, to justify slavery and even mass murder.

It's a provocative question, and Bishop Spong approaches it with gusto. His mission, he says, is "to force the Christian Church to face its own terrifying history that so often has been justified by quotations from 'the Scriptures.' "

This book is long overdue, because one of the biggest mistakes liberals have made has been to forfeit battles in which faith plays a crucial role. Religion has always been a central current of American life, and it is becoming more important in politics because of the new Great Awakening unfolding across the United States.

Yet liberals have tended to stay apart from the fray rather than engaging in it. In fact, when conservatives quote from the Bible to make moral points, they tend to quote very selectively. After all, while Leviticus bans gay sex, it also forbids touching anything made of pigskin (is playing football banned?) - and some biblical passages seem not so much morally uplifting as genocidal.

"Can we really worship the God found in the Bible who sent the angel of death across the land of Egypt to murder the firstborn males in every Egyptian household?" Bishop Spong asks. Or what about 1 Samuel 15, in which God is quoted as issuing orders to wipe out all the Amalekites: "Kill both man and woman, child and infant." Hmmm. Tough love, or war crimes? As for the New Testament, Revelation 19:17 has an angel handing out invitations to a divine dinner of "the flesh of all people."

Bishop Spong, who has also taught at Harvard Divinity School, argues that while Christianity historically tried to block advances by women, Jesus himself treated women with unusual dignity and was probably married to Mary Magdalene.

Christianity may have become unfriendly to women's rights partly because, in its early years, it absorbed an antipathy for sexuality from the Neoplatonists. That led to an emphasis on the perpetual virginity of Mary, with some early Christian thinkers even trying to preserve the Virgin Mary's honor by raising the possibility that Jesus had been born through her ear.

The squeamishness about sexuality led the church into such absurdities as a debate about "prelapsarian sex": the question of whether Adam and Eve might have slept together in the Garden of Eden, at least if they had stayed longer. St. Augustine's dour answer was: Maybe, but they wouldn't have enjoyed it. In modern times, this same discomfort with sex has led some conservative Christians to a hatred of gays and a hostility toward condoms, even to fight AIDS.

Bishop Spong particularly denounces preachers who selectively quote Scripture against homosexuality. He also cites various textual reasons for concluding (not very persuasively) that St. Paul was "a frightened gay man condemning other gay people so that he can keep his own homosexuality inside the rigid discipline of his faith."

The bishop also tries to cast doubt on the idea that Judas betrayed Jesus. He notes that the earliest New Testament writings, of Paul and the source known as Q, don't mention a betrayal by Judas. Bishop Spong contends that after the destruction of Jewish Jerusalem in A.D. 70, early Christians curried favor with Roman gentiles by blaming the Crucifixion on Jewish authorities - nurturing two millennia of anti-Semitism that bigots insisted was biblically sanctioned.

Some of the bishop's ideas strike me as more provocative than persuasive, but at least he's engaged in the debate. When liberals take on conservative Christians, it tends to be with insults - by deriding them as jihadists and fleeing the field. That's a mistake. It's entirely possible to honor Christian conservatives for their first-rate humanitarian work treating the sick in Africa or fighting sex trafficking in Asia, and still do battle with them over issues like gay rights.

Liberals can and should confront Bible-thumping preachers on their own terms, for the scriptural emphasis on justice and compassion gives the left plenty of ammunition. After all, the Bible depicts Jesus as healing lepers, not slashing Medicaid.

E-mail: nicholas@nytimes.com



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: bishopspong; cary; ecusa; religiousleft; spong
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Liberals can and should confront Bible-thumping preachers on their own terms, for the scriptural emphasis on justice and compassion gives the left plenty of ammunition. After all, the Bible depicts Jesus as healing lepers, not slashing Medicaid.

It kills me how the Left remakes Jesus to be a socialist. Let them continue, for their remake of Christ fools no one.


1 posted on 05/15/2005 1:42:01 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
What is it with Episcopalians?

Whats next, Jesus in a pink thong?

2 posted on 05/15/2005 1:49:48 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: rdb3
"The Sins of Scripture," which examines why the Bible - for all its message of love and charity - has often been used through history to oppose democracy and women's rights, to justify slavery and even mass murder.

The Bible justifies none of this. What causes evil is the heart of man.

3 posted on 05/15/2005 1:54:57 AM PDT by k2blader ('Lost' ping list - Please FReepmail me if you want on/off. :-)
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To: rdb3

John Shelby Spong, the former bishop...

He has been off the wall for ages and everything brought up has been brought up and shot down ages ago. Nothing new here.

The stupidity of the article is that if some nut on the left makes assertions, we are obligated to debate them as possibly true even after they have been proved false. But if we challenge their beliefs, we are intolerant, narrow minded and not open to new ideas (even if they are old and disproved).


4 posted on 05/15/2005 1:57:43 AM PDT by KeyWest
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Former Bishop?

Spong went over to the Dark Side long ago.


5 posted on 05/15/2005 2:08:49 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: rdb3
Liberal are vile!


What else needs to be said?
6 posted on 05/15/2005 2:09:26 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die)
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To: rdb3
John Shelby Spong, the former bishop, tosses a hand grenade into the cultural wars with "The Sins of Scripture," which examines why the Bible - for all its message of love and charity - has often been used through history to oppose democracy and women's rights, to justify slavery and even mass murder. The answer to this is that people wrestle the scriptires to their own destruction. Bishop Spong you can ask them about this when you meet them in hell.
7 posted on 05/15/2005 2:14:04 AM PDT by melsec (No other Name!)
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To: Yosemitest

Verse 6 is this old heretic (Spong) to the letter.


8 posted on 05/15/2005 2:54:56 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: rdb3; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ..
"How many winds of doctrine have we known in recent decades, how many ideological currents, how many ways of thinking. The small boat of the thought of many Christians has often been tossed about by these waves - flung from one extreme to another: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism and so forth. Every day new sects spring up, and what St Paul says about human deception and the trickery that strives to entice people into error (cf. Eph 4: 14) comes true. "
HOMILY OF HIS EMINENCE CARD. JOSEPH RATZINGER
DEAN OF THE COLLEGE OF CARDINALS
«PRO ELIGENDO ROMANO PONTIFICE»

Spong and the openly homosexual ECUSA Bishop Vicki Gene Robinson prove Ratzinger's point.

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


9 posted on 05/15/2005 3:03:36 AM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: rdb3

It kills me how the Left remakes Jesus to be a socialist. Let them continue, for their remake of Christ fools no one.

Indeed.


10 posted on 05/15/2005 3:15:29 AM PDT by moog
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To: D-fendr

Spong went over to the Dark Side long ago.

Does that mean he is one of the Sith, went to the other part of the moon, or went somewhere that does not see the light of day:0?


11 posted on 05/15/2005 3:17:48 AM PDT by moog
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To: melsec

IMO, it is blasphemous to presume the mind of the Lord as to who will go to Hell. It is not yours to judge.


12 posted on 05/15/2005 3:30:01 AM PDT by ktvaughn
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If not blasphemous, it is certainly taking on powers that you do not have. My sister got really angry with me when i told her that Ted Bundy might have gone to heaven, but we don't know what happened between him and his Lord at the end of his life. God said that He would redeem whom He would redeem.


13 posted on 05/15/2005 3:51:35 AM PDT by KateatRFM
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To: moog

A Star Wars reference in a post and an analog synthesizer for a name? Awesome.


14 posted on 05/15/2005 3:58:44 AM PDT by CauseEverything
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To: NYer; newheart; sionnsar

Spong is still crazy ping. Crazy in an evil way.


15 posted on 05/15/2005 4:03:08 AM PDT by secret garden (Go Spurs Go!)
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To: CauseEverything

A Star Wars reference in a post and an analog synthesizer for a name? Awesome.

Synthesizers have a lot of force in them.


16 posted on 05/15/2005 4:07:46 AM PDT by moog
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To: rdb3
for the scriptural emphasis on justice and compassion gives the left plenty of ammunition.

Liberals discussing the Bible is like me talking about childbirth,I know it exists but have no idea what it is like to experience.
The Bibles emphasis is on the nature of man and the nature of God.
Starting with mans creation,which libs almost always reject,to his fall which gives us all a sin nature,the concept of again liberals reject,continuing on through the promise of a redeemer.
Starting with the New Testament the miraculous birth and life of Christ,offering himself on the cross as the sacrifice made to restore us to relationship with God,this also liberals reject preferring the social gospel of good works to redeem ourselves.
Any of Jesus teachings regarding the poor and downtrodden was in the context of the hypocritical religious leaders of the day who viewed piety and show as being more important than spirituality.This is also in line with the lib philosophy that feelings trump actions,like Robert Kennedy flying on his private jet to give a lecture on energy conservation and how evil SUVs are.

17 posted on 05/15/2005 4:15:14 AM PDT by carlr
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To: rdb3
"Once more to the breech,
Dear friends, I beseech!"
The Episcopal Bishop harangued.
"For Heaven awaits,
Who broaches the nates,
And all Biblical scruples be hanged!"
18 posted on 05/15/2005 4:19:27 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: rdb3

My response to the reprobate apostates of the Episcopal
church (note such is NOT all inclusive-for there ought be a
remnant even there that is not swayed by the deciever)
my response is found in 2 John verses 10,11 --and Jude verses 8,9 . I seem to recall that old serpent used twisted
Scripture to wholly seduce Eve in the Garden--and also attmepted use twisted Scripture in the temptation of the Christ in the wilderness.Eve was seduced and responded of her own lust. Christ responded by the appropriate Spirit led Scripture citation.We ought know enough to do likewise.


19 posted on 05/15/2005 4:23:31 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: rdb3

Beware of wolves in sheeps' clothing...


20 posted on 05/15/2005 4:49:25 AM PDT by ViLaLuz
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