Posted on 05/13/2005 8:07:09 AM PDT by Cagey
No touch, no flush. No water, even.
Waterless urinals are being tested at City Hall.
But although they are saving hundreds of thousands of gallons of precious water in 29 states -- and in high-profile venues like Disney World and the Rose Bowl -- the devices are illegal in Illinois.
Waterless urinals use a replaceable, biodegradable cylindrical filter containing a floating layer of liquid sealant. Urine penetrates the sealant, which closes to seal off odors, and goes down the drain.
"It's as benign as a sink when it's kept up," said Jim Allen of the Sloan Valve Co., based in Franklin Park. Sloan installed the five City Hall urinals in a fifth-floor men's room without charge. Each unit has a counter and an LED sensor that signals when to change the cartridge.
Plumbers unions don't like the device. Tom Sherlock, business representative for Chicago Journeymen Plumbers Union Local 130, noted that standard urinals are made of vitreous china. "The reason [waterless urinals] are being thrown out is the jury's out about all the kinds of germs that grow on plastic," he said.
City Hall's test urinals also are vitreous china, Allen said, adding that the only plastic is in the disposable cartridge.
The Illinois Department of Public Health is monitoring the trial and will "make a determination" after six months, said spokeswoman Tammy Leonard. She said if someone dumps a cup of coffee in a urinal, it could break the seal. She also said uric acid builds up on "connections" because there is no water to wash it off: "Urine can just dry on them."
But both statements are misconceptions, Allen said, pointing to third-party studies "which clearly show that water-free urinals are actually cleaner than flush urinals from a germ and bacteria standpoint."
City Hall got an exemption from the state code for the 60-day test. Selling for $300 each -- about the same as a standard flush urinal -- the units should save about 40,000 gallons of water a year, Allen said.
Savings pile up
The International Plumbing Code, law in 29 states, permits waterless devices. Illinois is under the Uniform Plumbing Code, which does not.
Under IPC rules as a federal facility, the regional Social Security Administration offices at 600 W. Madison started putting in waterless urinals two years ago and now have 85 on 12 floors.
"Initially, some of the male employees were a little apprehensive, like, 'Shouldn't we be flushing?'" said building manager Larry Smith. "But they got used to it, and we sent out an e-mail explaining how it works. It's cut way down on our water usage and sewage cost."
The Rose Bowl in Pasadena, Calif., has 259 of the urinals and saves about 130,000 gallons of water on New Year's Day alone. Pro Player stadium in Miami has the units, as do the San Diego Zoo and London's Heathrow Airport. Arizona requires them in all public facilities. They're legal in Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan and Iowa.
Lois Vitt Sale, vice chairwoman of the U.S. Green Building Council's Chicago chapter, asked, "If all the states that ring us allow this, and the Rose Bowl and Pro Player stadium are using it successfully, what do we know that they don't know?"
You obviously missed the point. Sh*t in a bucket for all I care.
What is a CPAP with humidifier is it anything like o2 with mist?
That's a good one.
Here on the Oregon Coast Range it is we just call them Trees.
Dogs use 'em and men use 'em.
One just has a higher aim.
Spot on though.
LOL OMG I just visualized that you flush then rise.
I just assumed that everyone rised turned and flushed.
Must have some good articles to finish.
When did you move to Alanta?
Does this mean no more Hanoi Jane urinal cakes?
I hate these things....they alwasy stink...
In SC we call'em liberals
Yeah but the meth cooks will steal it.
Are you putting in a water cistron system?
I wish I would have being on a well.
I still plan to when I get a decent bid.
I live on the Oregon Coast and our well water tables suck.
My problem is if these things are so tidy, they won't put those nice urinal mints in there any more.
Seriously, they put one in where I used to work and it stank to high heaven. Must have forgot to put the special filter in because after a couple months they took it out of order for a couple of days and after that it worked pretty well. Didn't really stink at all. But you can imagine what my first impression was. Can't I have just a LITTLE water to wash the stench down puhleaze?
They also don't know what the little handle is for either.
All the Port-a-potties on rig sites have a 5 gallon bucket next to the toilet.
Why are they testing a urinal in Chicago. The men there piss while they are sitting down so it won't be used much if at all.
"I just visualized that you flush then rise."
2 hip replacements has me slow on the uptake.
Gotcha.
When I built my home 18yrs ago I put in a high rise bowl like they have in the Handycrapper stalls.
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