Posted on 05/12/2005 6:44:45 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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"Geneticists counter that many of the coastline sites occupied by the first emigrants would now lie under water, because the sea level has risen more than 200 feet since the last Ice Age. Dr. Klein expressed reservations about that argument, noting that people would not wait for the slowly rising sea levels to overwhelm them but would build new sites farther inland."
I don't have much use for mtDNA studies -- GIGO -- but Klein doesn't have a tenable position either.
I was just about to type an extremely sharp response when I noticed my patented "irony-o-detecter" dial bending its needle against the pin at the end of its travel. Then the needle snapped under the strain. You owe me one irony detector.
Boomp.
This is what they did when the Black Lake flooded and turned into the Black Sea. They all showed up at a higher terrace (the current shoreline) on the same day.
There were, of course, more people.
Taking a good look at what happened in India is instructive. There they were, having a good time, and next thing you know Toba blew up.
No more people there!
Then the ocean level rose. (These things coincide you know ~ you get Toba at the "start" of one Ice Age and at the "end" of another (the latest).
I'd bet they'd built new stuff higher up and further inland but they were all dead.
"But this is only their wild-guess assumption, they have no evidence. "
Apparently you've never seen the haplotype map showing the divergence from a single root. willful blindnes makes you look foolish.
Why is this common ancestor called Eve? Wouldn't the last common ancestor be Noah's mother?
How about Mrs Noah? And Noah himself assuming that Mrs Noah wasn't too friendly with her tennis instructor?
Mr. Noah's mitochondria didn't survive.
Here's a question for actual biologists. Female germ cells carry the cellular machinery that interprets DNA. This machinery is rather critical. Does it evolve, and at what rate?
Egg cells are the result of fewer divisions than sperm cells. Coincidence? Or is this protection against the mutation of the all important molecular machinery? Would this imply that males contribute more mutations to evolution than females?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Who's to say that God didn't create the races over the ages with sun, wind, cold and heat?
I've never been able to see the disagreement between Evolution and Creationism....
I 'evolved' from a monkey. Didn't God make monkeys? Didn't he create man 'out of rude clay'?
Fathers can be influential tooBiologists have warned for some years that paternal mitochondria do penetrate the human egg and survive for several hours... Erika Hagelberg from the University of Cambridge, UK, and colleagues... were carrying out a study of mitochondrial DNAs from hundreds of people from Papua-New Guinea and the Melanesian islands in order to study the history of human migration into this region of the western Pacific... People from all three mitochondrial groups live on Nguna. And, in all three groups, Hagelberg's group found the same mutation, a mutation previously seen only in an individual from northern Europe, and nowhere else in Melanesia, or for that matter anywhere else in the world... Adam Eyre-Walker, Noel Smith and John Maynard Smith from the University of Sussex, Brighton, UK confirm this view with a mathematical analysis of the occurrence of the so-called 'homoplasies' that appear in human mitochondrial DNA... reanalysis of a selection of European and African mitochondrial DNA sequences by the Sussex researchers suggests that recombination is a far more likely cause of the homoplasies, as they find no evidence that these sites are particularly variable over all lineages.
by Eleanor LawrenceIs Eve older than we thought?"Two studies prove that the estimation of both when and where humanity first arose could be seriously flawed... The ruler scientists have been using is based on genetic changes in mitochondria, simple bacteria that live inside us and control the energy requirements of our cells. Mitochondria are passed from mother to daughter and their genes mutate at a set rate which can be estimated - so many mutations per 1,000 years... However, these calculations are based upon a major assumption which, according to Prof John Maynard Smith, from Sussex University, is 'simply wrong'. The idea that underpins this dating technique is that mitochondria, like some kinds of bacteria, do not have sex... Two groups of researchers, Prof Maynard Smith and colleagues Adam Eyre-Walker and Noel Smith, also from Sussex, and Dr Erika Hagelberg and colleagues from the University of Otago, New Zealand, have found that mitochondria do indeed have sex - which means that genes from both males and females is mixed and the DNA in their offspring is very different... Prof Maynard Smith and his colleagues stumbled over mitochondria having sex in the process of tracking the spread of bacterial resistance to meningitis... For the 'out-of-Africa' theory to hold water, the first population would have to have been very small. Sexually rampant mitochondria may put paid to this idea. Maynard Smith thinks that the origin of humanity is much older - may be twice as old - which, according to Eyre-Walker, means we are likely to have evolved in many different areas of the world and did not descend from Eve in Africa."
by Sanjida O'Connell 15th April 1999Neanderthals Like UsEven today, features thought to be Neanderthal are as familiar as the portraits in a grandparent's home: the sloping forehead, the heavy brow, the stocky, big-boned physique... many Neanderthal features persist in European visages today: a unique hole in the jawbone, the shape of a suture in the cheek, a highly angled nose... Meanwhile, archaeologists are questioning their assumptions about the Neanderthal lifestyle. In particular, it has become less clear exactly who invented the Upper Paleolithic. One assemblage in France, dated between 39,000 and 34,000 years ago, has bone and shell pendants, carved teeth and beads, as well as finely worked tools like the Cro-Magnons used. But the only bones found with this technology are Neanderthal... [Ian] Tattersall says studies that use DNA from contemporary populations to reconstruct human genealogy support the idea of a single, small source of Homo sapiens... The mtDNA extracted from Neanderthal bones doesn't match anything in the modern world. But last year, when geneticists compared mtDNA from an early modern Australian with contemporary mtDNA, it didn't match either."
by Karen Wright
The effects (even the magnitude) of the eruption of Toba is wildly exaggerated, in the same way that the alleged eruption of Thera is. But otherwise I agree -- the water rose quite rapidly, even though it probably happened in stages following each burst of an ice dam on the thawing continental interiors.
The 33 acre Stone Age town, Catal Huyuk, sprang from nothing. The site was occupied for about three thousand years, but the architecture had no gradual development -- the design appears to have been brought from elsewhere. The only elsewhere available seems to have been the continental shelf, and the time frame fits as well.
So, where did you buy your German/English dictionary?
YEC INTREP
Didn't buy one. Used an online translation site. I speak slightly less German than Greek, and I speak no Greak. For all I know, it says "I will not buy this record, it is scratched" ;o)
Mmm, I think you should check again. You appear to be asking us to fondle your buttocks. (according to my German/English dictionary)
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