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A Microsoft-Red Hat warming trend?
CNET ^ | 5/10/2005 | Stephen Shankland

Posted on 05/12/2005 6:33:27 PM PDT by Incorrigible

A Microsoft-Red Hat warming trend?

By Stephen Shankland
http://news.com.com/A+Microsoft-Red+Hat+warming+trend/2100-7344_3-5701700.html

Story last modified Tue May 10 12:37:00 PDT 2005

The chief executives of Microsoft and Red Hat held a private meeting in New York, CNET News.com has learned, an indication that relations between the rivals might be warming.

Microsoft's Steve Ballmer and Red Hat's Matthew Szulik met for more than an hour at a McCormick & Schmick's restaurant in New York in late March, sources familiar with the situation said. Microsoft initiated the meeting, one source indicated.

Red Hat declined to comment for this story. But Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates, although not commenting on the Ballmer-Szulik get-together, said in an interview Monday that Microsoft is interested in meeting with open-source companies.

"There are some of those (open source) players that are looking at commercial-type revenues. We'll certainly spend time with those people to see what we have in common and what we can do for customers together," Gates said. However, he added, "I wouldn't say that there is some big, new development."

Microsoft generally favors proprietary software whose underlying source code is a closely controlled secret. Red Hat, on the other hand, supports open-source programming, in which source code may be freely seen, modified and redistributed by anyone. The company's chief product, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, is arguably the most successful example of an open-source project being packaged for commercial sale.

Microsoft has shown no signs of losing its aggressive competitiveness, but it has been willing to work with rivals of late. One notable example was a detente with Sun Microsystems in April 2004 that settled Sun's antitrust suit and led to deals to share patents and make sure that the companies' products interoperate.

Microsoft also has settled antitrust matters with software maker Burst.com, Novell and Time Warner's America Online.

Open-source software efforts once were a fringe phenomenon, chiefly of interest to students and technical experts. Now, however, several open-source projects have become forces to be reckoned with, often having a corporation backing them.

Projects that compete directly with Microsoft's products include not just server software such as Apache, MySQL and JBoss, but also include desktop software such as OpenOffice.org.

Meetings between competitors' high-level executives aren't unheard-of. But Microsoft and Red Hat aren't just competitors for selling operating systems--they also are opposed on the issue of software philosophy.

Even though Microsoft has embraced the ideas of having an active developer community, it has long criticized the General Public License that underlies Linux. In some cases, executives have called it "Pac-Man-like" and a "cancer." The license requires that software derived from a GPL program also be covered by the GPL, a provision Microsoft and others have termed "viral."

Despite some attacks on open-source programming, Microsoft has tried to take a more conciliatory stance in recent years. It has tried instead to argue that open-source software is inferior to its own products on the basis of cost, features and legal protections through its "Get the Facts" campaign.

Red Hat hasn't pulled any punches either.

In a 2001 speech, Red Hat's chief technology officer at the time, Michael Tiemann, disparaged Microsoft's shared-source initiative, which aims to emulate some of the principles of the open-source and free-software movements but that often doesn't give programmers as many rights to source code.

"It is not so much a license, I think, as it is a treaty crafted by executives trying to buy time while they quiet the internal rebellion that is Microsoft's own civil war," Tiemann said.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: assimilated
 

All your open source are belong to us!

 

1 posted on 05/12/2005 6:33:27 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Bush2000; Golden Eagle; rdb3; zeugma; shadowman99; ILurkedIRegisteredIPosted; N3WBI3; ...
You will be assimilated!

 

2 posted on 05/12/2005 6:34:18 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible

If you werent aware already, www.sourceforge.net is a great site. Many open source d/ls.


3 posted on 05/12/2005 6:35:38 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (How soon will the U.S.A. be U.S.S.A.?)
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To: Incorrigible
I predict MS is ready to throw in the towel on LongHorn and is going to buy a distro, might be RedHat, may be someone else, and comp out with their own (totally hozed and non-standard) linux within 2 years.

Nobody knows what a mess the MS codebase is in better than MS, but they have too big a market share and too much money to quit. They are going to pull a Novell and buy quality.

Just my off the wall guess....
4 posted on 05/12/2005 6:37:44 PM PDT by konaice
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To: Incorrigible
Since they mentioned apache:



MS server: Flatter than a pancake
5 posted on 05/12/2005 6:39:01 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Incorrigible

microsnot's mistake was going off the unix platform.


6 posted on 05/12/2005 6:40:33 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: flashbunny

Soon to be renamed: Microsoft Apache!


7 posted on 05/12/2005 6:41:36 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible

If you can't beat them, buy them.


8 posted on 05/12/2005 6:52:52 PM PDT by putupjob
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To: putupjob
If you can't beat them, buy them

It's called capitalism ... isn't America wonderful?  The opposite would be Communism, wouldn't it?

9 posted on 05/12/2005 7:41:37 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Incorrigible
Red Hat?

Do you mean THIS crew?

10 posted on 05/12/2005 8:34:44 PM PDT by JOE6PAK ("Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.")
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To: Incorrigible; ShadowAce

I would imagine Microsoft will tell them if they want to interoperate they'll need to license some patents. Funny how Microsoft might be the only one who could legally distribute RH Linux if they don't.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1369


11 posted on 05/13/2005 5:22:17 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: Incorrigible

Could it be that MS is looking for ideas to scam, and open source IP to taint? Nah...


12 posted on 05/13/2005 5:30:53 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades
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To: Incorrigible

They'll just distribute Red Hat as Microsoft Billux (tm). ;)


13 posted on 05/13/2005 5:32:42 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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