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Chaplain Wants Christ Out of Air Force Academy
NewsMax ^ | 5/12/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 05/12/2005 12:41:32 PM PDT by wagglebee

Here’s a story that will throw you for a loop: a "chaplain” at the U.S. Air Force Academy is complaining that the school’s administration has a "systemic and pervasive” problem of promoting religious religious values with a Christian bent.

The chaplain, Capt. Melinda Morton, a "Lutheran minister” spoke out publicly on Tuesday as an Air Force task force arrived at the academy to investigate charges that officers and staff members pushed their religious beliefs on cadets.

And she claimed that a tolerance program developed at the academy, called Respecting the Spiritual Values of all People (R.S.V.P.), was watered down after it was shown to officers.

Maj. Gen. Charles C. Baldwin, chief of chaplains for the Air Force, screened the 90-minute R.S.V.P. film in October, according to Capt. Morton, and asked her: "Why is it that the Christians never win?” in reaction to some of the program’s depictions of cadet interactions.

"Chaplain” Morton’s complaints about too much religion at the military academy is creating waves, and earned her hero status in a report in the New York Times Thursday.

Gen. Baldwin acknowledged in an interview that he felt too many scenes in the film portrayed Christians at fault for excessive evangelical proselytizing.

He also said he asked that the Air Force cut segments on non-Christian religions such as Buddhism, Judaism and Native American spirituality.

The problem in dealing with proselytizing and church-state issues at the academy, he explained, "always is, when is a person crossing the line, or when are they being a positive person of faith, like our president.”

Last year, the Colorado Springs academy invited Yale Divinity School professor Kristen Leslie and six Yale graduate students to visit the school and observe how the chaplains minister to the cadets.

A memo from the Yale team cited the "stridently evangelical themes” at a worship service attended by 600 new cadets.

Leslie said a chaplain urged cadets to pray for those who didn’t attend and "remind them of the consequences ... those not ‘born again will burn in the fires of hell.’”

But academy spokesman Johnny Whitaker disputed that account, saying several other chaplains told him that no one mentioned burning "in the fires of hell.”

Morton, a 48-year-old "Lutheran minister," said she was removed from her post as executive officer to the chief chaplain, Col. Michael Whittington, last week. She claimed the dismissal came after he pressured her to deny details of what happened at the religious service.

But Whitaker said Whittington sent Morton an e-mail on May 4 saying he was removing her "to ensure a smooth and complete transition” for new leaders.

Morgan said she had stepped forward because "it’s the Constitution, not just a nice rule we can follow or not follow. That includes not using your power to advance your religious agenda.”

She acknowledged that after speaking out, "I don’t think I have much future in the Air Force.”


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To: wk4bush2004
Women shouldn't be pastors in the first place.

In Isaiah 3:12 God implies that one of the worst things that can happen to a nation is to have women rule over it. His exact words are: "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths."

181 posted on 05/12/2005 4:26:20 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau (Congress is defined as the United States Senate and House of Representatives; now read 1st Amendment)
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To: wagglebee
Methinks they should get the Chaplain Out of Air Force Academy!

Idjit!

182 posted on 05/12/2005 4:28:18 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: wk4bush2004
The chaplain, Capt. Melinda Morton, a "Lutheran minister”

Although I have already been beat to the punch on this one, WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE PASTORS!

183 posted on 05/12/2005 4:28:33 PM PDT by Kimba
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To: encm(ss)
A Bible believing LCMS Lutheran

So YOU'RE the one!

184 posted on 05/12/2005 4:33:30 PM PDT by Kimba
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To: bahblahbah

#22..That's a woman?....is that her?


185 posted on 05/12/2005 4:33:57 PM PDT by Guenevere (Sola Gratia)
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To: Rca2000

Who's Lying to You About Early Feminism? Susan B. Anthony: Lucifer's Babe?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1034222/posts

also at

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/l/lemasters/lemasters120203.htm


186 posted on 05/12/2005 4:36:06 PM PDT by familyop
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To: wagglebee
I haven't read the thread, but one of the problems with proselytizing in the military is that Chaplains are Captains, are they not? That means they outrank all the cadets.

I can see where a cadet might feel pressured by an overzealous chaplain.

Minister to those who come to you and your services, and leave everybody else alone!

187 posted on 05/12/2005 4:36:42 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: annyokie; sgtbono2002; Brian Allen; Robert_Paulson2
Having a penis makes men superior in all those ranks?

No.
Having testicles does.


188 posted on 05/12/2005 4:39:03 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Piquaboy

,,, mommas don't let your daughters grow up to be cowboys.

189 posted on 05/12/2005 4:43:15 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: wagglebee

I was and always will be a U. S. Air Force Airman. I want her out of my U. S. Air Force. I want God in every cockpit of every aircraft and every tool box of everyone that comes in contact with our aircraft in the U. S. Military. God Bless America and all who have and will defend Her.


190 posted on 05/12/2005 4:45:02 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
I went to a Contemporary Base Issues Course and heard one of these hyphenated last name chaplains speak to the class. She asked us if all we had in our Chaplain office were bibles. If so, we needed Prayer Rugs and other things. I told her she can find the prayer rugs in the POW camps.

LOL
And then your commanding officer should have booted her right out of the service.

191 posted on 05/12/2005 4:46:24 PM PDT by XR7
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To: wagglebee
"Chaplain” Morton’s complaints about too much religion at the military academy is creating waves, and earned her hero status in a report in the New York Times Thursday.

I say this line tells it all.

How does a woman get ordained in the first place? Do they ever read the word?

192 posted on 05/12/2005 4:52:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: shaggy eel
" mommas don't let your daughters grow up to be cowboys."

Or Kiwis ??? :o)

193 posted on 05/12/2005 4:55:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: RightOnline; wagglebee
Someone tell this brainless little bitch (she's certainly not a Christian, despite her "Chaplain" monicker) to stay the f**k out of MY school.

Sorry dude. But it stopped being your school when they ripped down the motto on the main building, "Give Me Men." They don't want real men anymore. They want tough, butch-dyke womyn and sissified girlie-guys. Blame the brass and our "Commanders-in-Chief" for letting this degradation occur.

194 posted on 05/12/2005 4:57:05 PM PDT by XR7
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To: wagglebee

Why do I see this actually inciting MORE talk of Christianity?

Just as an example, I know the first words I thought upon reading it were "Jesus Christ."


195 posted on 05/12/2005 4:59:04 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: Spktyr
"Someone needs to have a nice long career in the Air Force. I believe that there's an opening for base chaplain up at Elmendorf AFB in Alaska"

When I was in the AF (granted that was in the 60's) it was Thule Greenland, which everyone considered getting assigned to, as the Pitts--"the end of the world."

Wonder if that's still the case?

196 posted on 05/12/2005 5:01:58 PM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: wk4bush2004
Women shouldn't be pastors in the first place.That is the first indication of her view on the Bible. She is in complete defiance. Then, you have the Lutherans who are now ordaining women. That shows their VERY low view of Scripture. The great Martin Luther would puke if he saw what is being allowed to pass today.
197 posted on 05/12/2005 5:04:58 PM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Cadets are at the Air Force Academy to learn those things necessary to become officers in the United States Air Force, not to be proseltyzed for one specific flavor of Christianity by obnoxious upperclassmen.

Bears repeating.

198 posted on 05/12/2005 5:05:21 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Zechariah11; shaggy eel; Piquaboy; Petronski; cyborg; bahblahbah
The great Martin Luther would puke if he saw what is being allowed to pass today.

And, he'd puke if he saw the pictures posted in Nos. 22, 79, and 189 above.
Eeeeeew-w-w-w-w-w-w-w!

Take a good look at those photos.
For the love of God, how can those so-called men sitting in the background just sit there and take it? Wussies.

199 posted on 05/12/2005 5:12:11 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

Pfffffffff. I had a 67 Cougar back when it was Motor Trends Car of the Year.


200 posted on 05/12/2005 5:12:18 PM PDT by annyokie ("Guess what. I got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell.")
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