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To: Scenic Sounds
Stabilize the workforce? Oh, I get it, we're going to stop teaching any new generation how to work hard and get ahead in the world because we're giving up an entire class of jobs...

How many of us got our start in business by washing dishes, mowing a neighbors lawn, the construction trade, etc. No one gives a care how many are used to pick grapes, but if you talk to almost any builder, they'll sometimes be honest enough to explain how thousands of construciton jobs have gone to illegals.

No; if they want to come here, apply at home. No more amnesty. Go back to your nations and apply like the honest people. Get back in line. Stop cutting ahead of those who do want to come here! And most of all, stop coming here if you don't want to be part of this country!
9 posted on 05/12/2005 8:53:19 AM PDT by kingu
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"How many of us got our start in business by washing dishes,"

I started at $1.25 working in a burger joint, and believe me, $1.25 was nothing even then. Cleaned restrooms at a local motel. Washed dishes a couple of places. Learned a TON.


25 posted on 05/12/2005 9:05:13 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: kingu
How many of us got our start in business by washing dishes, mowing a neighbors lawn, the construction trade, etc. No one gives a care how many are used to pick grapes, but if you talk to almost any builder, they'll sometimes be honest enough to explain how thousands of construciton jobs have gone to illegals.

I started by hanging ads on door knobs at 4 cents per door. I've literally walked to the front door of every single family home from the Mexican border to I-8 (N/S) and the Pacific ocean and Johnson Ave in El Cajon. I often started at 3 AM and worked all day long. That was 1972.

In 1973 I washed dishes, cooked, worked the fountain and waited tables at Farrell's Ice Cream Parlour. That's how I paid for my car and all the expenses during my senior year in high school. I made $1.45 per hour washing dishes. Cooking was paid $1.55. Waiter was $1.30 plus tips.

In 1976 I was carrying 16 units of graduate work in pathogenic bacteriology AND working 42 hours per week at Radio Shack. Radio Shack paid me minimum wage of $2.25 per hour plus sales commissions that varied by season. Not a fabulous income for a 19 year old graduate of UCSD with a degree in Molecular Biology. The RS job covered my books, car and food.

Roll forward to 2000. My #2 son wanted to work at a fast food place to earn money for his senior year. The jobs were filled by Mexicans and a variety of Asian minorities. No room for a white boy. My son was not deterred. He pressed hard on fluency in Spanish. That made the difference. He got hired in time to cover some of his senior year expenses.

Today, my #2 son exploits that Spanish fluency as a real estate agent. He runs an office in Chula Vista where the customer base is principally Spanish speakers. He will have his broker's license shortly and full run of the office.

In both cases, working the low end jobs was a way to cover early educational costs to get ahead. Many kids don't even have a shot at that anymore. The fast food places a full of Spanish speakers and senior citizens. The Spanish speakers don't wear a label of "legal" or "illegal". You can tell. The point is that the opportunity that was available when I was in high school has been usurped.

BTW, before I could take a job that paid on an hourly basis, I mowed lawns, raked leaves, shoveled snow and washed cars. My parents didn't provide an "allowance". Mowing the lawn, washing dishes and vacuuming the house was considered a "family responsibility". I was permitted to use the family lawn tools to work at other people's homes for pay. That was the sole source of my money as a kid.

121 posted on 05/12/2005 10:35:32 AM PDT by Myrddin
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