Bills Could Grant Legality To 10 Million Immigrants

San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 12, 2005 | Jerry Kammer

[MD_Willington_1976]

he won't want to hear from me...

[SheLion]

Democrats and Republicans in the House and Senate will introduce legislation today that could grant legal status to an estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal immigrants now in the United States.

Sure.  They want them here.  We have no say.  And what say we have means squat.

[Not A Snowbird]

McCain. Figures.

[Cowboy Bob]

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. (left), and Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., are working together on an immigration plan.

Gee, isn't Sen. McCain one of the Republicans opposing the "nuclear option?" Why should any Republicans support this?

[spectre]

"Start enforcing the laws on the books, fining and locking up employers of Illegals, cut off all social programs to illegals , deporting the ones caught not letting them go. This all by itself would eliminate most of the illegal problem almost overnight."

Absolutely. Start by enforcing the laws on the book, fining and locking up employers of Illegals...and with just that alone, it would solve most of the problem overnight.

Why won't our gov't enforce these laws?

sw

[stevio]

WTF?

[Jimbaugh]

Any Republican that votes for this will not be in congress in 2006.

[RJL]

Bills Could Grant Legality To 10 Million Immigrants

Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and John McCain, R-Ariz.,

The last time President Bush worked with Teddy “The Swimmer” Kennedy was on the education bill and Kennedy and the Dems still haven’t quit complaining. I hope the Republicans learned something from that.

Before any talk about amnesty for illegals, they need to do three things.

1. Successfully enforce the border.

2. Pass laws fining companies and persons hiring illegals, and prison time for repeat offenders.

3. Pass laws requiring all law enforcement officers to enforce illegal immigration laws. As it is now, only the ICE folks are tasked with the job of rounding up illegals, and they won’t do the job.

Then and only then should we even think about amnesty for illegals.

[lemura]

fining and locking up employers of Illegals

You mean the 10 million+ households in Calif alone that hire gardeners, nannies, etc?

cut off all social programs to illegals

Illegals don't receive social payments - it's their US citizen kids that were born here.

deporting the ones caught not letting them go.

Who's an illegal? What is the proper ID?

While it sounds nice contemplating sending 10m illegals home packing, it just isn't going to happen. (If for no other reason than to avoid grainy black/white documentary footage being shown in the Nazi WWII propagana style of homes being raided, moms/kids being cuffed, etc.)

We need a system in place to legalize guest workers - both those already here and those coming in the future. If illegals had a way to bank their savings and then return to their homeland, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

After all, it's not just natives that want to get out of Calif. I'd bet your typical illegal would gladly return to their village if they had a monthly stipend coming in from their savings.

[Iron Matron]

I am too mad to try and say too much, but, I think the time is NOW to have a "civil disagreement" with our current tyrannical Government.

I really do.

[TomGuy]

We pretty much have to accept the situation. 8 to 10 million people are just too many to punish or deport.

That defense is ridiculous.

It reminds me of another ridiculous defense about Medicare fraud I heard a Congresscritter say about 10 years ago. He was asked about Medicare fraud and what Congress would do about it. He responded that it was only $400 million in fraud and it would cost MORE to try to stop it than the fraud is, so his recommendation was to do nothing (ie, let it continue). [That is our tax dollars that were then, and are still, being defrauded.]

[Travis McGee]

Senator McCainiac is not "right in the head."

[k2blader]

"Any program that gives legal status to people who entered the country illegally or have stayed here illegally after being admitted is an amnesty."

It's difficult to understand why many liberals, including our president, fail to understand this fact.

[Travis McGee]

If you want 20-30 million MORE criminal invaders to swarm into our nation in the next decade, just give any form of amnesty to the criminal invaders who snuck in over the last decade.

Any rational discussion of this problem has to start here: with a decent security fence. Until we build one, our welcome mat is out.

[taxed2death]

Amnesty.

Rewarding illegal behavior.

What a slap in the face to people who have emigrated here legally as well as those still caught up in all the BS and red tape required to do so, legit American business owners, taxpayers and a whole lot of American tradesmen.

To quote Zell Miller, "My party left me".

[Spiff]

Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and John McCain, R-Ariz., will introduce the bill in the Senate. In the House, Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., will team with Arizona Republicans Jeff Flake and Jim Kolbe to introduce the measure.

Jim Kolbe is again being faced with a conservative pro-border security challenger in the Republican primary election. Randy Graf announced last month his challenge against the liberal extremist congressman who has betrayed his constituents in Arizona's 8th district. Since Kolbe took office 20 years ago his district has become one of the worst areas along the U.S./Mexico border in sheer numbers of criminal invaders coming across. Kolbe is complicit in this because he personally inserted language in appropriations bills to shut down the permanent Border Patrol checkpoints in Arizona - and Arizona only. The Border Patrol is very much against Kolbe's meddling and has said so publically. A week ago Kolbe lambasted the Border Patrol and threatened to pull their funding and take congressional action against the agency which would "sting" them. Kolbe has voted for every illegal alien amnesty to his the House floor and is currently one of the strongest proponents of amnesty for criminal invaders.

Kolbe is a well entrenched and well financed politician. He has a huge campaign warchest and was able to outspend Graf 10-1 in the last election and even spent $300,000 in the last two weeks to spread a campaign of lies and distortions.

Randy Graf is serious about bringing Kolbe down. He is starting his campaign a year before he started his previous campaign. Instead of starting about 6 months out he is starting 16 months out.

But to defeat Kolbe, Randy Graf needs all of the help he can get. Go to www.grafforcongress.com to find out more and to help the campaign any way you can. Kolbe can't continue to keep getting away with his betrayal of the people in his district, the Border Patrol, national security, and the citizens of the United States. Kolbe must be stopped and a message sent to Washington that the people are mad as hell and they're not going to take it anymore. YOU can make a difference right now.

[Mr. Mojo]

......could grant legal status to an estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal immigrants now in the United States.

Only 1/3 of them? What's to be done about the other 20+ million?

[johnlaw]

I've got a question. The Bill is to require a criminal background check for immigrants as a requirement for citizenship. How can you do a background check on someone who is not even registered in the system? We will end up granting citizenship and residency to rapists, child molesters, and cold-blooded killers because the "background check" protection offered by the government won't do a damn bit of good. And you know Mexico won't help. Why would they give us information on its citizens who don't want to be citizens anymore? This is all crap.

[Spiff]

And this will stop illegal imigration how??

It won't. It will encourage it. Any talk of amnesty means my county is going to see an even larger flood of criminal invaders hoping to get in under the wire.