[2banana]

But I thought illegals wanted to be treated like everyone else...a job, free education, free health care, drivers license but they sure want their "rights" as a Mexican National when it suits them...

[martin_fierro]

I think people don't understand the state of immigration in New Hampshire . . . both illegal and legal. If there is an issue in a small state like New Hampshire, you can imagine the problems in New York and Florida," she said."

Oh, it's not exactly rocket science, Mona.

[antiRepublicrat]

Ramirez is living in Waltham, Mass., and worked for a construction company in Jaffrey.

Is anybody going after this company?

[JesseJane]

>>"The immigration laws make the determination on who's here illegally, not the police chief," she said. <<

Ummmmmmmmm... so the POLICE do not know what is legal and what is not now?? I guess it depends of what the meaning of "law" is.

I mean, they write these things down right?? /s

[Calpernia]

ping

[whd23]

Jorge Mora Ramirez

Police Chief Garrett Chamberlain

[RicocheT]

"the Vienna Convention was violated when her client was not put in touch with the Mexican Consulate"

Illegal Mexicans are invoking the legal concept of extraterritoriality, that they are not subject to our laws.

The illegals want all the benefits of being here, but not of the responsibilities. Sort of like Shanghai and Hong Kong in the 1920s when foreigners had their own laws and courts so Chinese law did not affect them while in China. Modern China recalls this as foreign oppression.

extraterritoriality, privilege of immunity from local law enforcement enjoyed by certain aliens. Although physically present upon the territory of a foreign nation, those aliens possessing extraterritoriality are considered by customary international law or treaty to be under the legal jurisdiction of their home country. Generally such persons are exempt from both civil and criminal action; they may not be sued or arrested. Their property and residences are inviolable, and they are usually exempt from both personal and property taxes.

[datura]

"The immigration laws make the determination on who's here illegally, not the police chief," she said.

OK, since when does it take a police chief to figure out that you're an illegal when 1.) You can't speak ANY English. 2.) You have several false ID papers. 3.) You're carrying a Mexican driver's license?

Things should be no different than when a US citizen enters a US Military installation. You automatically waive your rights to being notified in advance of being searched, your belongings siezed, and basically your rights as you know them being thrown out. Once an illegal steps over the border without documents allowing them to do so, they should immediately lose any and all Constitutional protections or rights. They should have fewer rights than someone breaking into your home in the middle of the night.

[azsportsterman]

The immigration laws make the determination on who's here illegally, not the police chief," she said

If I remember correctly, according to the immigration laws state he is here illegally. Since he is here illegally, he is in violation of the Massachusetts criminal trespass law. All the sheriff is doing is enforcing state law, not the federal immigration law. Also, the state attorney has already reviewed this specific application of the law, and indicated thew sheriff is applying it correctly.

[Travis McGee]

If the ICE and the ATF did an agent swap...

Every illegal alien in America would be arrested, deported or shot in one month.

And we could shoot unregistered full auto machine guns in our backyards anytime, with no hassles from the governement.

(I just want a list of the laws which "really count" and I have to obey, and a list of the laws I can [wink wink] just ignore.)

[Tacis]

If this fine young wetback was working on the Boston Harbor Tunnel, then he is a wetback in both the literal and figurative sense. He probably had been using Mexican construction techniques while at work and we, therefore, can not expect the tunnel NOT to leak because that would be unfairly applying US thinking to an international person.

[RSmithOpt]

From the post of Travis sMcGee:, I would say that the legal citizens and those legally in this country currently collaborating or working on behalf to allow illegal aliens or attempting to circumnavigate Federal Immigration Laws, as well as politicians and judges who fail to act to secure our boarders, deport the illegals, and enforce our laws should be found of conspiracy to break federal law, which in effect, conspiracy to break the law, is a felony. The conspiracy theory can easily be tied to those wanting to improve the bottom line of businesses using cheap labor.

[gubamyster]

ping

[Sir Gawain]

"The police chief is saying a person who is traveling on public roads has no right to do so if they are in the U.S. illegally . . .," she said. "If you are from Milford, can you be on the roads in New Ipswich?" Movafaghi said. "Where does it end?

What a retard. It ends at our nation's borders, or it's supposed to.

[DumpsterDiver]

Jorge Mora Ramirez

• charged with criminal trespass and operating a vehicle without a valid license...
• Ramirez was in possession of several false identification papers
• he had a Mexican driver's license.
• He is in the country illegally

Manny Van Pelt, an ICE spokesman:

• "We cannot turn a blind eye to violations of the law. And we will not."
• "We are going to place this person (Ramirez) in deportation hearings. Absolutely. We fully intend to."
• ...federal authorities would not take Ramirez into custody...

Local police chief

• "I'm disgruntled that the feds aren't going to follow up. We're stepping up to the plate and doing what the federal government refuses to do."

A lot of us are disgruntled, chief. Keep up the good work.

[Happy2BMe]

This is a crucial case folks. American Civil Law ~vs~ the Vienna Convention.

American Borders ~vs~ The Powerful Open Border Lobbyists.

Which one will triumph? Which one has White House support?

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Jorge Mora Ramirez

Police Chief Garrett Chamberlain

The attorney representing the illegal immigrant charged by New Ipswich police for criminal trespassing will argue state law is being misused and the Vienna Convention was violated when her client was not put in touch with the Mexican Consulate.

New Ipswich Police Chief W. Garrett Chamberlain charged Jorge Mora Ramirez, 21, with criminal trespass and operating a vehicle without a valid license on April 15. Ramirez encountered police on Turnpike Road after having car trouble. A local officer, who stopped to investigate, found Ramirez with several false identification papers and a Mexican driver's license.

[A. Pole]

"The immigration laws make the determination on who's here illegally, not the police chief," she said.

The laws cannot do anything. They need to be enforced by the actual people. And the Mexican consulate should be contacted, by all means - it should be SWAMPED with the contacts and inquiries, it should pay the tickets too.

[judgeandjury]

And, on May 6 in Jaffrey-Peterborough District Court, Ramirez's guilty plea was reversed to innocent.

I don't think courts accept pleas of "innocent". A defendant can either plead "guilty" or "not guilty".

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

"The police chief is saying a person who is traveling on public roads has no right to do so if they are in the U.S. illegally . . .," she said. "If you are from Milford, can you be on the roads in New Ipswich?" Movafaghi said. "Where does it end?

Oh please counselor, spare us. That is a gross over-simplification and she you knows it. The police chief is correct. If the defendant can produce tax returns for every year he's been living in the US, then he might be able to make a case for using public roadways. Roadways that have been paid for by tax money from LEGAL citizens.

'Where does it end' she asks? It ends at the border. These people need to be rebuffed and turned away.

[swampfox98]

the Vienna Convention was violated when her client was not put in touch with the Mexican Consulate.

Thank you, filthy American politicians who have brought this scum into America. You're traitors to America and suck ups to your one world masters.