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To: jackibutterfly
Well duh! What the H#ll do you think abortion is???? D-E-A-T-H!

How can you die before you are born? Human life is defined as the experience between birth and death. Check the definition of birth: Origin; A beginning or commencement. The emergence and separation of offspring from the body of the mother. b. The act or process of bearing young

Life is more than the flesh, it is consciousness, self awareness. There is no self awareness before birth. There is certainly POTENTIAL life before the process of birth. There is the potential of adulthood with every child but every child does not reach adulthood. We do not call children adults because they MAY reach adulthood and the unborn are not babys just because they MAY be born.

57 posted on 05/11/2005 3:52:30 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper
So a retarded person isn't alive because they lack self-awareness?
87 posted on 05/11/2005 5:34:13 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Semper
There is no self awareness before birth.

I am not sure you are self-aware right now. You may only think you are. Seriously, if it take the self to confirm that the self is aware, how would anyone outside the self ever say for certain that the self is not aware?

In other words, you argument allows for anything to be self aware. Or else, prove to me a tree or a rock is not self aware. "Self-awareness" is always decided by someone other than the self, such as a man saying "Hey, he said he's alive!" or a doctor saying, "See, he has brainwaves!" It's a ridiculous concept and beyond your proof.

98 posted on 05/11/2005 5:49:26 PM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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