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To: ppaul
The US State Department said on Tuesday that the Pentagon was looking into a report in Newsweek magazine that interrogators at the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, kept copies of the Koran in toilets to annoy prisoners.

I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way.

18 posted on 05/11/2005 8:57:12 AM PDT by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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To: killjoy
I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way.

I doubt it.
28 posted on 05/11/2005 9:01:32 AM PDT by speed_addiction (If you expect the worse out of everybody, you won't be disappointed___Frank Castle)
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To: killjoy

I would be just as mad at Newsweek as I am. They have no business being the propaganda arm of our enemies-- regardless of our enemies' religious affiliation.


32 posted on 05/11/2005 9:03:32 AM PDT by pgyanke (The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God.)
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To: killjoy

Moral relativism, equating Islam with Christianity and Judaism. You can think it if you want to because you live in a free country. That position would get you killed in Iran.


43 posted on 05/11/2005 9:15:58 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: killjoy

"I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way."

We wouldn't organize our churches to go out and kill innocent people...BIG DIFFERENCE!

The bible is treated much worse in the same countries which are demanding this high level of respect. The bible is often placed in hotel room where whores and john get together- American church don't go out in the community killing people in protest.

Holtz
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47 posted on 05/11/2005 9:20:32 AM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com
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To: killjoy

I can guarantee you, it does routinely.


56 posted on 05/11/2005 9:50:26 AM PDT by econ_grad
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To: killjoy

Sure


60 posted on 05/11/2005 9:56:36 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: killjoy
I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way.

Nope. We pay tax dollars for perverts to do that and we call it public "art."

66 posted on 05/11/2005 10:35:16 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: killjoy
I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way.

It probably is and besides 9-11 told us these radical Muslims consider it virtuous to KILL Christians and Jews. Frankly, I don't care what they do to the Koran. Burn it publicly for all I care.

71 posted on 05/11/2005 10:48:39 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: killjoy

I doubt we'd riot and kill people over it. Perhaps we ought to?


80 posted on 05/11/2005 11:09:08 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: killjoy
"I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way."

Right, I can just see the deadly riots in Atlanta, Chicago, LA where people would be killed over that issue. Right?

90 posted on 05/11/2005 1:30:09 PM PDT by Flint
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To: killjoy
I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way.

Muslims show no respect for the shrines and scriptures of others, what goes around comes around.


98 posted on 05/11/2005 5:28:48 PM PDT by Alouette (The truth is not hard to kill, but a lie told well is immortal. -- Mark Twain)
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To: killjoy

That's apples and oranges.


103 posted on 05/11/2005 6:50:06 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: killjoy
"I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way."

The answer is No and No.

Because, in NEITHER of those holy books, do they advocate the "EVIL" practices that is "COMMANDED" by the Qu'ran.

Check this out, below: A KILLING COMMANDED BY ISLAMIC “LAW” (Coming soon—if we are not vigilant—to a place near you)

Some of the more despicable tenets in this book of "evil" are as follows:

The Quran requires violence. Sura 9:5 says,

Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war.

Sura 5:33 records what is done to infidels who resist Islam:

Their punishment is...execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from the opposite sides, or exile from the land.

Muhammad also burned out eyes with hot irons (Hadith vol. 1, no. 234) and deprived people of water until they died (vol. 8, no. 796).

In Islamic countries you can be incarcerated and tortured without due process--this was all part of 7th century Arabia. The dictator could do whatever he wanted to.

Muslims, in fact, divide the world into two sectors: Dar-al-Islam (the House of Islam) and Dar-al-Harb (The House of War).

The ONLY countries considered to be at peace are those where Islamic law (the Sharia) is enforced.

Islam in Arabic means submission, surrender or subjugation.

A Muslim is one who submits. The Arabic word for peace is Salam.

Islam is the active form of Salam. Muslims see themselves as a "peace making force" using argument, intrigue, commerce, threats, terrorism, warfare and every other means possible to secure Islam as the only religion worldwide.

Muslims are not permitted to make peace with a non-Muslim country until its inhabitants surrender to Islam.

They can agree to a cease fire for a period of time – but never to peace with non Muslims.

The Quran teaches that Muslims are superior to others: "Ye (Muslims) are the best of peoples evolved for mankind . . ." Surah 3:110.

Muslims are forbidden to befriend Jews or Christians: "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them . . ." Surah 5:54.

Islam instructs its adherents to fight until their opponents submit.

Christians and Jews may be spared if they pay "Jizya" – a penalty tax – with willing submission: "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day . . . Nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizya (tribute taxes) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" Surah 9:29.

"Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every strategem (of war) . . ." Surah 9:5 (also 2:193).

For those who resist Islam – execution or mutilation is decreed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land . . ." Surah 5:36.

So now Kiljoy, mayhaps you might point be to where there is anything, closely, resembling this in the Torah or Bible?

Any "holy" book which advocates such "evil," can NOT be holy and therefore, I "SPIT" on it, and unlike what others here have suggested, I would not use it to wipe my butt, as it is "un-clean"--to use one of Islam's favorite sayings.

Had enough?

Would you like to see how this "holy" book is put into "practice"--to this very day and what "depravity" it calls for?

Read on:

A KILLING COMMANDED BY ISLAMIC “LAW”

Within two days, Amina was dead -- killed by her fellow villagers April 20 after the men of the community ruled that she had violated Islamic law by having an affair with a neighbor....

Soon Amina's father, the elders and a crowd of villagers had gathered outside. Mohammad unlocked the chain and flung open his front door. At the back of the room sat his son, Karim, on a floor cushion.

Next to him sat Amina. Her expression was once again blank, Aslam said.

It threw Aslam into a rage.

"I shouted, 'What is she doing here? Give her to me! I will kill her!' " he recounted last week. "I was so shocked, and my Islamic dignity was so offended."

But the other villagers restrained him, Aslam and other witnesses said.

"We told him, 'No, no! This should be handled by sharia now,' " his brother Hashem recalled, referring to the Islamic legal code.

"Fine, I will give her over to sharia then," Aslam said he responded. "Whatever sharia says, I will do it."...

Under Sharia, the punishment for adultery is death by stoning. But the code requires that there be undeniable proof of the crime -- for instance, multiple witnesses to the sex act, a confession, or other signs such as an inexplicable pregnancy....

But no one involved disputes that the villagers were unanimous in their view that according to the dictates of Islam, the proper resolution of the case would be for Karim, as an unmarried man, to be lashed and Amina, as a married woman, to be stoned to death.

Early that afternoon, one of the mullahs went to fetch a stick with which to whip Karim as Yousaf took his leave of the villagers.

Then they watched Yousaf's turban slowly vanish over a mountain path and, along with it, Amina's last hope.

Punishment

There are two, conflicting accounts of Amina's death.

According to her great-uncle Assan, after the shura reached its verdict, a group of villagers came to the dark storage room and took her away to be stoned.

"She knew what was going to happen to her," Assan said softly. "She was screaming and sobbing."

Amina's paternal uncle, Mohammad Azim, said he watched as the villagers forced Amina down a muddy path toward a patch of soft earth along a riverbank surrounded by stones, a few yards from the edge of the village.

It was a beautiful spot, shaded by an enormous tree and offering a charming view of the village clinging to the mountainside.

It was also an ideal place for a stoning.

"They dug a hole in the ground right here," Azim said, pointing to a spot in the clearing six days later. "Then they buried Amina up to her waist, with her arms pinned by her side."

Azim said Amina's hair was covered in a head scarf, and that she was crying in terror as nearly a hundred men gathered in a circle around her and began throwing small rocks at her head.

"I couldn't watch for more than a few minutes," Azim said. Instead, he said, he walked up to Amina's parents' house and waited with them in silence during the two hours it took to kill her.

Several villagers and Amina's mother said that they, too, believe she was stoned. And a few said they had seen the bloody hole after she was removed from it.

But no one else would admit to witnessing the actual stoning, much less participating in it. And the ground where Amina was allegedly buried to her waist showed little sign of disturbance six days after her death -- possibly because, as Azim and other villagers contend, they had refilled the hole and then the river had flooded over it, or possibly because the stoning never happened.

Several other villagers, including Amina's uncle, Hashem, tell a very different story.

Hashem said the villagers handed Amina over to her uncles, including himself and Azim. Their original intention was to hang her, Hashem said. But as they were leading her away, they became increasingly angry and started to beat her with their fists.

"It was dark," he said. "All of us were striking her, and then she fainted and we saw that she was on the ground and not breathing. Maybe she had a heart attack."

Whatever the means of her death, Amina's parents said her bruised corpse was returned to them sometime between afternoon and evening prayers that day.

Amina's mother, Nessa, said she did not grieve.

"My daughter was a criminal and a sinner who brought dishonor on my name," Nessa said hotly several days later. "And I should be blamed for her death, not anyone else, because I told my tribe they could kill her. I forgave them for spilling her blood."...

If Amina had been allowed to live, Nessa added, the shame of it would have forced Nessa to leave the only home she had ever known and a valley in which her family had lived for generations.

"But now I can walk everywhere in the village with my head high. . . . I'm happy. Extremely, extremely happy," she shouted. The tone in her voice betrayed no joy.

Then Nessa covered her face with her hands....

Amina's father Aslam, however, was released from police custody in Faizabad after a night of questioning, on grounds that he was not directly responsible.

Just before embarking on the long walk back to Gazon, he sat on a metal chair in a room in the police station, reflecting on all that had happened in the last several days.

Unlike the feelings of his wife Nessa, Aslam's anger at Amina had by now given way to sorrow.

"I feel so sad for her. She was so young," he said, as his eyes grew glassy with tears. "I really miss her now. . . . I will miss her voice, and our conversations in the evenings."

There was much he wished he could go back and change. "If only she had told me that she did not want to go back to her husband," he said. "I would have done something about it. I would have counseled her."

But he said he harbored no doubt that she deserved to die after she admitted to committing adultery.

"There was no option. This is what Islam commands us."

Oh yes, this is a "holy" book that I want to study and follow. Yeah, Right!!

127 posted on 05/14/2005 4:19:28 PM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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